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Steady people have been banned for less offensive name calling .  Just saying  

One rule for the moderators (or at least one of them), one for everyone else.

A lot of people who don't care what happens to their organs after death are too lazy to opt-in. But no people who care about what their organs are used for after death are too lazy to opt-out. So

7 hours ago, yootalkin2me said:

Is it right to have a default that you are to donate all of your organs upon death but that if you don't wish to you are a social pariah?

Do you think you'll be at the bottom of quality of NHS service shouod you choose to opt out?

It’ll be kept in a separate register, not openly in your medical records, to stop any idiots like you, who may have mistakenly managed to get into the medic/nurse/caring professions, from behaving like dick heads.

Perhaps they’ll take your brain, it’s clearly unused.

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3 hours ago, John Wright said:

It’ll be kept in a separate register, not openly in your medical records, to stop any idiots like you, who may have mistakenly managed to get into the medic/nurse/caring professions, from behaving like dick heads.

Perhaps they’ll take your brain, it’s clearly unused.

Steady people have been banned for less offensive name calling . 

Just saying

 

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3 hours ago, John Wright said:

It’ll be kept in a separate register, not openly in your medical records,

I understand this will data will be kept off island.

We have discussed this issue before. My view then, and remains, having seen recently complaints about health care here, is that we should not be rushing this through until we have resolved Capacity and consent legislation and have a vastly improved end of Life Care policy to cover all conditions. Up to date information for the public needs to be widely available. There is so much either withheld or just too difficult to access.

The notion that consent is 'assumed' by the state by inaction on my behalf make me question what comes next. This is a principle I have a problem with. Just my opinion, which I know will not make any difference to the island passing the legislation. Not enough of our politicians have any recent relevant experience to debate this and I suggest the proposal is a sop to align ourselves with UK policy. 

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I have no problem with donating organs. 

However, as it is extremely unlikely that the transplant operations will be done over here, I question the ability to remove and deliver a fully functioning organ to its destination hospital in a timely manner. Let alone the cost.

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2 minutes ago, Cambon said:

I have no problem with donating organs. 

However, as it is extremely unlikely that the transplant operations will be done over here, I question the ability to remove and deliver a fully functioning organ to its destination hospital in a timely manner. Let alone the cost.

I think you're correct to suggest this. I asked at the mortuary a few years back and was informed that most donations are transferred for medical research/scientific purposes. 

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18 minutes ago, Cambon said:

I have no problem with donating organs. 

However, as it is extremely unlikely that the transplant operations will be done over here, I question the ability to remove and deliver a fully functioning organ to its destination hospital in a timely manner. Let alone the cost.

Neither have I. That is not the issue. It is the presumed compliance with it that needs legislation to back it up. Why not just opt in?

if people want to do it, then why not just opt in and record in medical notes. Separate registers for health matters supports the ongoing fragmentation that is currently happening on the island whereby access to your own data is beomoming increasingly more difficult.

For example, how many people receive a written explanation of what happens to them, in detail, following discharge from hospital or other service (otherwise known as the TESCO principle).  How many people have access to ALL the records held on them and referring to them whilst in hospital and how many of them are accurate. Does everyone know what records are kept, who keeps them and know that say for example records about falls and near miss events are kept secret. Make complaining difficult and in some cases nigh impossible.  As for discussions with other agencies, forget it.

 

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7 minutes ago, Apple said:

Neither have I. That is not the issue. It is the presumed compliance with it that needs legislation to back it up. Why not just opt in?

if people want to do it, then why not just opt in and record in medical notes. Separate registers for health matters supports the ongoing fragmentation that is currently happening on the island whereby access to your own data is beomoming increasingly more difficult.

For example, how many people receive a written explanation of what happens to them, in detail, following discharge from hospital or other service (otherwise known as the TESCO principle).  How many people have access to ALL the records held on them and referring to them whilst in hospital and how many of them are accurate. Does everyone know what records are kept, who keeps them and know that say for example records about falls and near miss events are kept secret. Make complaining difficult and in some cases nigh impossible.  As for discussions with other agencies, forget it.

 

A lot of people who don't care what happens to their organs after death are too lazy to opt-in. But no people who care about what their organs are used for after death are too lazy to opt-out.

So opt-out gives us a stronger supply of organs.

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56 minutes ago, Cambon said:

I have no problem with donating organs. 

However, as it is extremely unlikely that the transplant operations will be done over here, I question the ability to remove and deliver a fully functioning organ to its destination hospital in a timely manner. Let alone the cost.

Most organ donations are from brain-dead but heart-beating donors.  An organ retrieval team comes in to Noble's, carries out the harvest, and gets them back across for transplant in specialist centres.  It happens here, successfully.  Does that answer your question?

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