Max Power 6,345 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Only those with technical expertise probably, the decision makers/money spenders I suspect are not. This is true but those decision makers listen more to their technical staff than MHKs and their crazy ideas about saving money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
b4mbi 873 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Voted through £850k-ish for next 5 years to identify savings. Will The Auditor General be empowered to force the various departments to make savings? Or will they merely recommend and the departments continue to do as they see fit. More lovely, lovely bureaucracy. The " governance" they've voted to be in place, would perhaps involve TAG department being subject to independent external audit? At more cost.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Apple 632 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I read that Alf Cannan wants to set up a sort of Capital Spending monitoring unit to oversee er...the spending on capital projects like the landing stage and Douglas prom. Sounds like he no longer trusts each Department to do their jobs and he is willing to do it for them. Wonder how much this new unit will costs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Derek Flint 4,040 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 A Ministry of Spaff is long overdue. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joebean 803 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 The first steps towards saving money, or at least stopping waste, is making Government a single entity and the creation of a political structure that promotes quality in candidates and proper opposition. Until then, these measures are just window dressing in an overpriced shop we are forced to spend our cash in, due to the lack of any alternative outlet. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Non-Believer 12,377 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Derek Flint said: A Ministry of Spaff is long overdue. We've already got several. All Spaffing like mad.... I honestly don't think it will stop until there's some sort of off-island oversight, if not control, the list of overspend and financial recklessness just goes on and on. Ministers, eg Baker, clearly have little or no control or even cognisance over what goes on. Taking Tuesday's Tynwald for example, a bit of criticism initially over the flumes situation - then Alf Cannan of all people actually tries to make light of it by joking. Then it was business as usual, vote through £227k for the flumes, another £300k for other departmental overspends and another £640k for railways, that to do with "timings". No other questions asked as to how and why. Then we'll lob in more bad news about the Liverpool Terminal, £38M and counting towards at least a year's overrun on schedule. Too many of the Island's Govt Depts simply can't be trusted with finances IMHO, but when the hole is admitted there'll be more direct taxes and "stealth" charges to cover it. They should be retrenching and consolidating to prepare for when the fallout from COVID becomes fully apparent, not trumpeting last years fiscal news as we had recently. And the all-important accountability. Unless they're expecting a bailout from the UK? Edited November 19, 2020 by Non-Believer 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ellanvannin2010 517 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 The overspends should be a capability/disciplinary issue against the departments CEO for failing to oversee their department properly. So we already have the Chief Secretary to supposedly deal with this. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thommo2010 1,824 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: We've already got several. All Spaffing like mad.... I honestly don't think it will stop until there's some sort of off-island oversight, if not control, the list of overspend and financial recklessness just goes on and on. Ministers, eg Baker, clearly have little or no control or even cognisance over what goes on. Taking Tuesday's Tynwald for example, a bit of criticism initially over the flumes situation - then Alf Cannan of all people actually tries to make light of it by joking. Then it was business as usual, vote through £227k for the flumes, another £300k for other departmental overspends and another £640k for railways, that to do with "timings". No other questions asked as to how and why. Then we'll lob in more bad news about the Liverpool Terminal, £38M and counting towards at least a year's overrun on schedule. Too many of the Island's Govt Depts simply can't be trusted with finances IMHO, but when the hole is admitted there'll be more direct taxes and "stealth" charges to cover it. They should be retrenching and consolidating to prepare for when the fallout from COVID becomes fully apparent, not trumpeting last years fiscal news as we had recently. And the all-important accountability. Unless they're expecting a bailout from the UK? The whole flume situation wouldn't be out of place on something like the fast show 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roger Mexico 9,298 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: We've already got several. All Spaffing like mad.... I honestly don't think it will stop until there's some sort of off-island oversight, if not control, the list of overspend and financial recklessness just goes on and on. Ministers, eg Baker, clearly have little or no control or even cognisance over what goes on. If you look at what's going on in the UK, the only difference would be that they would demand even more wasted money, but directed to companies that their mates owned. To some extent this is already happening - look at the new Manx Care board which mainly consists of people who don't even live on the Island. "We need a bigger Mafia!" is never a solution - we have to solve this ourselves. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quilp 10,478 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=59094&headline=Island's VAT share climbs back up to over £400m§ionIs=NEWS&searchyear=2020 Let's hope they spend it wisely. Maybe there'd be some spare change left over to help our addiction services and organisations, investment in local mental health services, homelessness, foodbanks, er, you get the picture... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slinkydevil 4,657 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 3 hours ago, quilp said: http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=59094&headline=Island's VAT share climbs back up to over £400m§ionIs=NEWS&searchyear=2020 Let's hope they spend it wisely. Maybe there'd be some spare change left over to help our addiction services and organisations, investment in local mental health services, homelessness, foodbanks, er, you get the picture... Err.. get to back of the queue, what about the giant seagull sculpture we didn't get? Or maybe some cliff murals, forest laser shows or 200ft inflatable clown shoes for Onchan? You need to get your priorities right before wasting our tax payers money on the homeless, hungry and mentally ill. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dirty Buggane 170 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Sorry first glance at this thought it said Whisky , at last somebody talking sense in the government. Let's hope they spend it wisely. Maybe there'd be some spare change left over to help our addiction services and organizations, investment in local mental health services, homelessness, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Augustus 334 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 So the Auditor General appointment has been lying in the long grass for nearly 10 years. Suddenly, about a week ago, the Speaker starts going off about it and within a heartbeat it's waved through in Tynwald with barely a moment's pause. WTF? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Apple 632 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, Augustus said: So the Auditor General appointment has been lying in the long grass for nearly 10 years. Suddenly, about a week ago, the Speaker starts going off about it and within a heartbeat it's waved through in Tynwald with barely a moment's pause. WTF? It suggests that this is a necessary step for something just around the corner that we are not being told about yet. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
finlo 4,717 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Apple said: It suggests that this is a necessary step for something just around the corner that we are not being told about yet. Yes, Watty is soon to be without a job! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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