Blue_eye_boy Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) He has said he will never have any help with his mental health issues as he dosent believe he has any and has been encouraged to say he has issues just to stay out of jail which is why mental health issues were brought up in court. In fairness he probably needs help but until that time I have no doubt there will be other victims of his physical abuse and harassment. Edited March 14, 2022 by Blue_eye_boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Boris Johnson said: Ship this lad and others like him not to the UK but the USA prison system, and pay the costs, it will work out cheaper. A few months over there and even without treatment they wont want to re offend.................. It would be a good solution for a few of the island's scummier dregs... we all know the ones, names appear every few months... sentenced for 12 months but miraculously arrested on the street for assault after 6 months. Put the fear of god into them by housing them with some violent criminals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Gladys said: Chummy, chummy, matey, matey? @Omobono do you think he would get that help in prlson? I am not sure how to deal with people like him. Not sure he is 'criminal', but pretty sure he is 'off kilter'. Regrettably people in prison seem to get better health provision , and that includes mental health , he could have been referred to a specialist unit in the UK where sadly they have facilities for dealing with people who live in their own little world and seem to have no regard for the law , or other peoples right to a life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 hours ago, Omobono said: Regrettably people in prison seem to get better health provision , and that includes mental health , he could have been referred to a specialist unit in the UK where sadly they have facilities for dealing with people who live in their own little world and seem to have no regard for the law , or other peoples right to a life You’ve got to be joking in your statement that general and mental health care is better in prison than in the community? Yes, there are specialist centres across, both in community and the special prison secure hospital service. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to get a referral and funding for out of area ( off island ) treatment for the former or how seriously and dangerously mentally I’ll you have to be to be sent to the latter? 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 11 hours ago, Gladys said: My uneducated guess is that he thinks he was fully justified in doing what he did, possibly, that he was right and everyone else is wrong. That's the impression that I got as well, including from reading the judgment from his appeal. All his actions are justified simply because they are his. Everything he says is true because he says it. Everyone else must be lying because they're not him. Society only exists to serve his ends. The universe is obliged to adjust itself to his whims. He's hardly alone in these sorts of delusion of course. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Roger Mexico said: That's the impression that I got as well, including from reading the judgment from his appeal. All his actions are justified simply because they are his. Everything he says is true because he says it. Everyone else must be lying because they're not him. Society only exists to serve his ends. The universe is obliged to adjust itself to his whims. He's hardly alone in these sorts of delusion of course. No, he's not. Is the judgment published now? From the press reports it would seem that the victim injured herself, including hanging on to his vehicle? Apart from being ripped a new one by Expat, I do wonder how you deal with such delusional offenders. A prison sentence alone won't sort him out, but it would keep the rest of society safe from him. Meanwhile, he will be harbouring resentment against those who crossed him, would he be safer on release if he was imprisoned? My guess is, he just doesn't think he has done anything wrong, and without accepting that he is not going to be rehabilitated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 He caused a lot of pain with his allegations, mud sticks , no smoke without fire etc…not only to the victims but their families. I don’t know what the answer is he seems to avoid punishment I just hope he has learned he cannot carry on behaving the way he does, I very much doubt it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, Gladys said: No, he's not. Is the judgment published now? From the press reports it would seem that the victim injured herself, including hanging on to his vehicle? Apart from being ripped a new one by Expat, I do wonder how you deal with such delusional offenders. A prison sentence alone won't sort him out, but it would keep the rest of society safe from him. Meanwhile, he will be harbouring resentment against those who crossed him, would he be safer on release if he was imprisoned? My guess is, he just doesn't think he has done anything wrong, and without accepting that he is not going to be rehabilitated. The judgment is here (I did link to it in my original comment, he says in slightly hurt tones) and from the timing I assume the 3FM piece was based on that rather than 'live' reporting. It goes into the evidence in some detail - though I can't really see why the appeal was even allowed to take place. It seems to have been based on nothing but Fenton's belief that he was in the right and therefore any judge must be wrong to disbelieve him. I would have thought he would have been jailed automatically after he immediately broke the court order after his first conviction, because that is how these things work. I don't think there were any extenuating circumstances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, Manx17 said: When you see these light sentences given to these abusers. Is it any wonder you get people like himself accusing? that justice wasn’t served on a victim of child abuse. as he has harmed and was abusive to a woman. He has just shown in his sentence. That perpetrators can get away with anything. Dragging a woman like a rag doll and gets a slapped wrist. If it was a dog he would of got a leather injection. The mind boggles. Yes. I know people who were bombarded with texts and messages alleging a family member was a child abuser. The only thing that appears to keep him out of prison is that he’s the principal carer for his son. Although that’s not mentioned in the judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 17 hours ago, 0bserver said: So he falsely accuses people of being paedophiles but he's been found guilty of beating up a woman? The island's so-called justice system is broken. We need a hardline prison to deal with people like this as the softly soflty nicey nicey approach is clearly not working. 15 hours ago, 0bserver said: Just not sure how many chances you give someone. We need a prison environment where being sentenced for bearing up a woman would be an experience enough for the guilty party to change their ways. Maybe ship them off to one of the larger UK prisons if we can't do it here? Harsher prisons have worse recidivism rates, not better. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_eye_boy Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) The lady he assaulted was very brave for following through her complaint, her life was likely made very difficult through harassment and emotional manipulation/abuse leading up to the trial. Even in court there were attempts to tarnish her reputation, she was drunk, she was leaving her daughter alone, she was stopping me seeing my son etc Lots of others haven’t had the strength to follow their complaints through and unfortunately I think the soft sentence will put others off from coming forward in the future. This isn’t the first time he’s acted inappropriately and the total lack of remorse indicates there’s a strong chance this won’t be the last time either. Edited March 14, 2022 by Blue_eye_boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expat. Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/13/2022 at 8:46 PM, Gladys said: You did see the inverted commas? Good point. I have now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expat. Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 9:33 AM, Gladys said: No, he's not. Is the judgment published now? From the press reports it would seem that the victim injured herself, including hanging on to his vehicle? Apart from being ripped a new one by Expat, I do wonder how you deal with such delusional offenders. A prison sentence alone won't sort him out, but it would keep the rest of society safe from him. Meanwhile, he will be harbouring resentment against those who crossed him, would he be safer on release if he was imprisoned? My guess is, he just doesn't think he has done anything wrong, and without accepting that he is not going to be rehabilitated. I'm sorry that was never my intention, and I wasn't paying enough attention to your comment. Missed quotation marks aside, I thought you doubted that his actions, as described here, were criminal. Or that a possible mental condition might explain it. As a deeply pedantic individual I'll get me coat. Again. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Expat. said: I'm sorry that was never my intention, and I wasn't paying enough attention to your comment. Missed quotation marks aside, I thought you doubted that his actions, as described here, were criminal. Or that a possible mental condition might explain it. As a deeply pedantic individual I'll get me coat. Again. Ah, no problem, I probably didn't make it clear. My point is that how does society deal with people who believe, probably genuinely, that they have done nothing wrong? He doesn't think he is a criminal so every criminal sanction will be another injustice to him and you have to wonder how he will be set right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Gladys said: Ah, no problem, I probably didn't make it clear. My point is that how does society deal with people who believe, probably genuinely, that they have done nothing wrong? He doesn't think he is a criminal so every criminal sanction will be another injustice to him and you have to wonder how he will be set right? Improved mental health services so it hopefully never gets to this point. Improved mental health services to deal with it when it does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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