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8 hours ago, TerryFuchwit said:

Really?  Apparently it's all a massive wastr.of money according to some.

It is, it seems commendable the way it is working, but that does not detract from the fact it could have been done much cheaper and much quicker by using re useable equipment. It has cost 140k I understand so far, there will be expenses to remove it and return the airport to normal eventually etc etc. So whilst I applaud the way it is working it could have been done for the 40K not 140. The sum of the wasted money on various matters on the island could go a long way towards solving some of the social ills the don't have members of society suffer !!

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It was quite revealing when at one of the briefings last week he spent quite a while explaining how the IOM's clinicians had debated whether to extend the period between doses, and it was a consensus

Who is talking about setting up in a cowshed?  There are plenty of nice, warm venues large enough to do this on the IOM without OTT adaptations.  

Timeout. You were given a gentle hint earlier. 

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2 minutes ago, asitis said:

It is, it seems commendable the way it is working, but that does not detract from the fact it could have been done much cheaper and much quicker by using re useable equipment. It has cost 140k I understand so far, there will be expenses to remove it and return the airport to normal eventually etc etc. So whilst I applaud the way it is working it could have been done for the 40K not 140. The sum of the wasted money on various matters on the island could go a long way towards solving some of the social ills the don't have members of society suffer !!

What experience do you have of mass vaccination of populations out of interest?

Before you mention it, please don't hold the UK up as some shining beacon in this exercise.  We've seen how poorly virtually everything in the uk has been done.

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7 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

What experience do you have of mass vaccination of populations out of interest?

Before you mention it, please don't hold the UK up as some shining beacon in this exercise.  We've seen how poorly virtually everything in the uk has been done.

about the same as the Government ... none ! However I do have a lot of life experience of using common sense, of getting things done, and working to a budget with a list of priorities. Vaccinating the population means injecting everyones upper arm, not open heart surgery, so to achieve that, is all that is required ! I am anti UK too but they have had to think outside the box, so many places have been successfully pressed into service at little cost and great efficiency.

Certainly if I were asked to inject people in their upper arm, my first thought would not have been which building company can I spend 140k with !!

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5 minutes ago, asitis said:

about the same as the Government ... none ! However I do have a lot of life experience of using common sense, of getting things done, and working to a budget with a list of priorities. Vaccinating the population means injecting everyones upper arm, not open heart surgery, so to achieve that, is all that is required ! I am anti UK too but they have had to think outside the box, so many places have been successfully pressed into service at little cost and great efficiency.

Certainly if I were asked to inject people in their upper arm, my first thought would not have been which building company can I spend 140k with !!

Oh dear. Never mind.

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19 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

Before you mention it, please don't hold the UK up as some shining beacon in this exercise.  We've seen how poorly virtually everything in the uk has been done.

What exactly are the U.K. doing wrong with their vaccination program?

They seem to be getting the job done rather well.

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11 minutes ago, bonatti said:

What exactly are the U.K. doing wrong with their vaccination program?

They seem to be getting the job done rather well.

I'm not really saying they are or aren't.   I'm just pointing out that they shouldn't be used as the benchmark for perfect execution of anything.

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1 hour ago, TerryFuchwit said:

We've seen how poorly virtually everything in the uk has been done.

They, like everyone else, got off to a slow start, especially around care and nursing homes. They have caught up and apart from Israel are leading that race to vaccinate.

I suspect we are not that far behind in percentage population and am glad that the UK got our vaccine for us. The IOM government could have been at the end of a very long queue if they hadn't. 

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2 hours ago, bonatti said:

What exactly are the U.K. doing wrong with their vaccination program?

They seem to be getting the job done rather well.

Local to me we're using Stithian's showground, running very well indeed.

New vaccination centre in Cornwall at Stithians Showground | Falmouth Packet

Not as posh a Ronaldsway but works.

New vaccination centre in Cornwall at Stithians Showground | Falmouth Packet

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3 hours ago, TerryFuchwit said:

What experience do you have of mass vaccination of populations out of interest?

Before you mention it, please don't hold the UK up as some shining beacon in this exercise.  We've seen how poorly virtually everything in the uk has been done.

Yes I'm sure that every other country in the World will have not gone ahead without the skirting boards.

This isn't just about costs (though if the Airport cost £140K, I shudder to think what the bill for Chester Street will be), it's about delay as well.  We were self-admittedly lucky with the last outbreak, if we had been in the situation of Guernsey (231 active cases yesterday) then there would have a lot of vulnerable people without protection who could have had it while the DoI farted about.

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4 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Yes I'm sure that every other country in the World will have not gone ahead without the skirting boards.

This isn't just about costs (though if the Airport cost £140K, I shudder to think what the bill for Chester Street will be), it's about delay as well.  We were self-admittedly lucky with the last outbreak, if we had been in the situation of Guernsey (231 active cases yesterday) then there would have a lot of vulnerable people without protection who could have had it while the DoI farted about.

I think that's a little over dramatic.

Given we have no one in hospital I think the "delay" has no real implications or material risks.

Also, given the actual volume of vaccination we have it would appear and delay didnt really set us back any material time frame.

The reality is the borders are essentially shut, hardly anyone is going anywhere for probably 4 months at least, by which time we will be a long way down the road of vaccination of everyone who wants it.

 

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Speaking of Guernsey, they have a media briefing at 12:30pm today. It can be found on YouTube, FaceAche and their government covid homepage. covid19.gov.gg 

I'd recommend watching it if you have time. Yesterday I watched their briefing from last Thursday and the charts their director of public health presented were even more detailed than what their daily info page shows. Good stuff.

If our lot are going to copy what Guernsey does as they have in the past, I wish they'd take a good long look at their briefings and emulate them. They take about the same amount of time but impart around ten times as much useful information with little, if any, waffle. And the press Q&A session is handled MUCH better.

Media Briefing - Monday 1st February at 12:30pm

A media briefing will take place today, Monday 1st February at 12:30pm.

It will be live streamed on the homepage of this website and on our facebook page (www.facebook.com/govgg

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57 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

This isn't just about costs (though if the Airport cost £140K, I shudder to think what the bill for Chester Street will be), it's about delay as well.

Costs don't come into it. There are many people who are now reassured they and / or their family are as well protected as they can be and it will get better with time.

As for being able to visit those in care homes and the like, the relief will be immense from today.

Politically though, this is all about the rewards at the end.🥇

 

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The important thing is to vaccinate as many people as possible, in accordance with the protocols and in hygienic surroundings.  That can be done in less plush surroundings. 

As usual, it is the front line staff who make the thing work, not the installers of skirting boarded cubicles. 

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17 minutes ago, Apple said:

Costs don't come into it. There are many people who are now reassured they and / or their family are as well protected as they can be and it will get better with time.

Costs shouldn't come into it but money should be spent wisely. I'm sure the money could be spent more usefully elsewhere in the DHSC. The set up at Ronaldsway is over the top for what is required.   

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1 hour ago, TerryFuchwit said:

 

Also, given the actual volume of vaccination we have it would appear and delay didnt really set us back any material time frame.

Wasn't there a point last week where we had 11,000 doses in storage and hubs still being built?

This is the same DHSS going against the rest of the world and building mega posh facilities who last March were turning people away from their facilities and make them self inject B12 in their own bedrooms.

Both are injections into the upper arm so surely hygiene concerns are the same.

I understand the recovery time and paperwork but can't see any justification for the cost and the delays when elsewhere are just using sports halls, tents, and carparks.

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