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11 hours ago, quilp said:

Pfizer vaccine efficacy down to 64% against the Delta variant although it's still effective in preventing serious illness. Some scientists advising that all over 50's in Israel have booster shots starting August. Spain and Germany mixing the vaccines...

Interesting link for those with an attention span greater than 3 minutes.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-confirms-vaccine-less-effective-against-delta-variant-eyes-third-dose/

Israeli health officials reported that the vaccine was 93% effective in preventing hospitalisations and serious illness.

(Source sky news website in same post that cites the reduced efficacy)

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6 minutes ago, snowman said:

Israeli health officials reported that the vaccine was 93% effective in preventing hospitalisations and serious illness.

(Source sky news website in same post that cites the reduced efficacy)

But even that is a drop from the figure they quote earlier for the previous month.  And what the piece doesn't say is what the 'mix' of variants is and how that affected the much bigger drop in preventing symptomatic infection.

Israeli vaccination patterns are very odd.  They reached 50% very quickly and then stopped:

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Whether this was because of a reluctance to vaccinate Arab/Muslim parts of the population or reluctance from that part of the population or (most likely) from the Ultra-Orthodox I don't know.  Demographics (both those groups skew young) may also play a part.  But it means you need to look at the country as not really typical.

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1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said:

But even that is a drop from the figure they quote earlier for the previous month.  And what the piece doesn't say is what the 'mix' of variants is and how that affected the much bigger drop in preventing symptomatic infection.

Israeli vaccination patterns are very odd.  They reached 50% very quickly and then stopped:

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Whether this was because of a reluctance to vaccinate Arab/Muslim parts of the population or reluctance from that part of the population or (most likely) from the Ultra-Orthodox I don't know.  Demographics (both those groups skew young) may also play a part.  But it means you need to look at the country as not really typical.

Thanks for the link.

Got to be honest I hadn’t realised that they had hit a wall with vaccination at less than 60 percent.

So tales of the best vaccinated country in the world now “struggling” are irrelevant as they didn’t do enough vaccines to really limit the spread or protect the overall population.

Gives me even greater confidence in the situation here and in the Uk

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7 minutes ago, oooohtony said:

So tales of the best vaccinated country in the world now “struggling” are irrelevant as they didn’t do enough vaccines to really limit the spread or protect the overall population.

It's not quite irrelevant, just that there are particular circumstances there.  For example it means they had a very high percentage of their vaccinated who have been fully vaccinated for some time (that will change slightly now as they are starting to jab 12+).

One useful resource I found was the NY Times World Vaccination Tracker.  It still shows Israel at #7 in terms of vaccinations per head (in countries with population over 100,000).   There are actually better performers among the minnows as well such as the Seychelles and Gibraltar and indeed the Isle of Man, with 129 doses per head, though with a bigger gap than many between one dose (75%) and two (55%).

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Vaccine. Perhaps no one will have it. The vaccine in stock figure has stood at 12,745 for 8 days. In that time 6,932 doses have been administered, there are 4,115 booked in next 7 days. Smaller margin for comfort than I thought Ashie would have liked.

If we really have drawn down all we are entitled to ( and I don’t think we have ), then we’d have been in the shit if we’d vaccinated during the two week hiatus.

I sense manipulated figures.

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32 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Vaccine. Perhaps no one will have it. The vaccine in stock figure has stood at 12,745 for 8 days. In that time 6,932 doses have been administered, there are 4,115 booked in next 7 days. Smaller margin for comfort than I thought Ashie would have liked.

If we really have drawn down all we are entitled to ( and I don’t think we have ), then we’d have been in the shit if we’d vaccinated during the two week hiatus.

I sense manipulated figures.

It's a bit odd, certainly.  Again it might be made worse by shortages of particular vaccines.  Looking at the first doses given over the last few weeks (more than were planned) I'm struck by how they were mostly Moderna with some AZ, but hardly any Pfizer.  So they may be having to hoard that for second doses for those who had that as a first.

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2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

It's a bit odd, certainly.  Again it might be made worse by shortages of particular vaccines.  Looking at the first doses given over the last few weeks (more than were planned) I'm struck by how they were mostly Moderna with some AZ, but hardly any Pfizer.  So they may be having to hoard that for second doses for those who had that as a first.

Isn’t it more likely to be a function of they gave more first doses of AZ 12 weeks ago to the over 40’s, and they’ve been having second doses, because they were keeping pfizer then for under 40’s, so pfizer round 2 comes next. The moderna presumably has been all dose 1?

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11 hours ago, John Wright said:

Isn’t it more likely to be a function of they gave more first doses of AZ 12 weeks ago to the over 40’s, and they’ve been having second doses, because they were keeping pfizer then for under 40’s, so pfizer round 2 comes next. The moderna presumably has been all dose 1?

It's a sensible explanation,  but I dont understand why we are kept in the dark and have to resort to calculation and assumption.

I know the Pfizer is less available that AZ but it's not exactly scarce. 

I had the good fortune of 2 doses!

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52 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

It's a sensible explanation,  but I dont understand why we are kept in the dark and have to resort to calculation and assumption.

I know the Pfizer is less available that AZ but it's not exactly scarce. 

I had the good fortune of 2 doses!

Quite. Mushroom syndrome.

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13 hours ago, thommo2010 said:

2 1/2 days after my 2nd jab I'm beginning to feel normal. Was like death warmed up yesterday and today my arm was in agony to the point I could barely lift it. 

Heard this about several people, one of whom has gone off island for further assessment / treatment.

1 hour ago, John Wright said:

Quite. Mushroom syndrome.

Probably to stop people making connections they would rather not want to confuse the majority with.  

In an effort to get as many vaccinated as possible (possibly children eventually) the benefits of vaccination have to be emphasised. Parents are naturally concerned as yet about jabs for children and it is still by no means clear what will be recommended when the trials finish.

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I don’t understand the constant carping and conspiracy theorising regarding vaccine roll out on here.  The usual “we had 14000 doses yesterday, and now there’s only 12999, but we only administered 968 - what aren’t we being told, David Ashford should resign” etc is getting boring.

The facts, as far as I can tell them, is that as a small nation we are in the top 10 in the world, and are ahead of both the UK and our island comparators Jersey.

And while I’m on; lockdowns etc.  The fact, once again, is that over the last 15 months we’ve had it normal (travel excepted) for about 9 of them.  Where else in Europe can say that?

I know there have been mistakes - where hasn’t there been? - and I don’t necessarily subscribe to the view that our government have been exemplars.  But give them a break. They’ve done well, largely due to our island status, border controls, and population density. Nobody had a route map for this. They did ok.

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23 minutes ago, wrighty said:

I don’t understand the constant carping and conspiracy theorising regarding vaccine roll out on here.  The usual “we had 14000 doses yesterday, and now there’s only 12999, but we only administered 968 - what aren’t we being told, David Ashford should resign” etc is getting boring.

The facts, as far as I can tell them, is that as a small nation we are in the top 10 in the world, and are ahead of both the UK and our island comparators Jersey.

And while I’m on; lockdowns etc.  The fact, once again, is that over the last 15 months we’ve had it normal (travel excepted) for about 9 of them.  Where else in Europe can say that?

I know there have been mistakes - where hasn’t there been? - and I don’t necessarily subscribe to the view that our government have been exemplars.  But give them a break. They’ve done well, largely due to our island status, border controls, and population density. Nobody had a route map for this. They did ok.

That bit of sea helped.... which makes the decision-making easy.

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29 minutes ago, wrighty said:

Nobody had a route map for this. They did ok.

I keep reading comments like this.  The PAC found that not only did we have multiple pandemic plans, but that government failed to implement them.  What did nobles implement from the pandemic plans?

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