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Back to the OP - just had mine. 
 

All running extremely smoothly here. There appear to be 6 vaccinators, and slots are 15 minutes apart - they may be doing more than 6 each 15 minutes as it literally takes a few seconds. Just waiting my 15 minutes post-jab to make sure I don’t die. Don’t think anyone has so far. 
 

All good :)

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Who is talking about setting up in a cowshed?  There are plenty of nice, warm venues large enough to do this on the IOM without OTT adaptations.  

It was quite revealing when at one of the briefings last week he spent quite a while explaining how the IOM's clinicians had debated whether to extend the period between doses, and it was a consensus

Timeout. You were given a gentle hint earlier. 

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It would appear that that the vaccination programme has been designed to comfortably cope with our current supply of circa 1,000 doses per week.  This would suggest that the full programme will take all year, let’s all be patient and continue to follow the “rules”.

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28 minutes ago, Kopek said:

How long from first sitting down in the waiting room to leaving the place, please? Can one go straight to work?

I didn’t wait at all - filled in my consent form, straight to jab (ahead of appointment) then just 15 mins waiting (observation to make sure there’s no early adverse reaction) afterwards. Yes you can go straight to work. 

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2 hours ago, Banker said:

What will they do for those elderly people who don’t have email like my mum & uncle?

Well they seem to have got round that by deciding not to vaccinate them.  If you look at their announcement of the start of the programme:

It's V-Day in the Isle of Man as the first person is vaccinated against Covid-19. Sandie Hannay a residential support worker in DHSC's Learning Disability service had the jab this morning in front of the Manx media - ahead of 900+ health & care staff from across the Island in this first week of our roll-out programme.

the only people they seem to be vaccinating are staff.  Now this goes against the JCVI advice on priority groups:

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1. residents in a care home for older adults and their carers
2. all those 80 years of age and over and frontline health and social care workers
3. all those 75 years of age and over
4. all those 70 years of age and over and clinically extremely vulnerable individuals
5. all those 65 years of age and over
6. all individuals aged 16 years to 64 years with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and mortality  etc

Even Ms Hannay should not qualify for priority as the residential home she works in is not for the elderly.  Nor really, national treasure though he is, should wrighty, though he would be pretty near the top of section 2 because of the urgency of much of his work and the age of many of his patients.

It's particularly wrong because what we know of the vaccine suggests it may be better at protecting those who get infected from serious harm rather than preventing spread.  So staff might still pass it on if they have had their jabs, even more of a reason to start with the vulnerable - the fatality rate can be over 25% in the over-90s.

Incidentally it's also not a good idea to vaccinate all staff at once in any case.  If some do suffer mild side-effects (which seems most common after the second jab and may just be an indication that the vaccine is working) then you don't want them all having to take the same day off because they feel a bit woozy.

So rather than protect the most vulnerable first, the DHSC seem to have decided to protect ... themselves.  What a surprise.  It's not a good look is it?

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I wonder where Tynwald and their minions fit into the scheme of priorities? Fairly close to the top?

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32 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Well they seem to have got round that by deciding not to vaccinate them.  If you look at their announcement of the start of the programme:

It's V-Day in the Isle of Man as the first person is vaccinated against Covid-19. Sandie Hannay a residential support worker in DHSC's Learning Disability service had the jab this morning in front of the Manx media - ahead of 900+ health & care staff from across the Island in this first week of our roll-out programme.

the only people they seem to be vaccinating are staff.  Now this goes against the JCVI advice on priority groups:

Even Ms Hannay should not qualify for priority as the residential home she works in is not for the elderly.  Nor really, national treasure though he is, should wrighty, though he would be pretty near the top of section 2 because of the urgency of much of his work and the age of many of his patients.

It's particularly wrong because what we know of the vaccine suggests it may be better at protecting those who get infected from serious harm rather than preventing spread.  So staff might still pass it on if they have had their jabs, even more of a reason to start with the vulnerable - the fatality rate can be over 25% in the over-90s.

Incidentally it's also not a good idea to vaccinate all staff at once in any case.  If some do suffer mild side-effects (which seems most common after the second jab and may just be an indication that the vaccine is working) then you don't want them all having to take the same day off because they feel a bit woozy.

So rather than protect the most vulnerable first, the DHSC seem to have decided to protect ... themselves.  What a surprise.  It's not a good look is it?

Is there any point protecting all the elderly, if the medical staff are all sick. Keep the carers alive first surely. The healthy over 80’s won’t be able to look after the doctors, nurses and carers. 

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57 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Well they seem to have got round that by deciding not to vaccinate them.  If you look at their announcement of the start of the programme:

It's V-Day in the Isle of Man as the first person is vaccinated against Covid-19. Sandie Hannay a residential support worker in DHSC's Learning Disability service had the jab this morning in front of the Manx media - ahead of 900+ health & care staff from across the Island in this first week of our roll-out programme.

the only people they seem to be vaccinating are staff.  Now this goes against the JCVI advice on priority groups:

Even Ms Hannay should not qualify for priority as the residential home she works in is not for the elderly.  Nor really, national treasure though he is, should wrighty, though he would be pretty near the top of section 2 because of the urgency of much of his work and the age of many of his patients.

It's particularly wrong because what we know of the vaccine suggests it may be better at protecting those who get infected from serious harm rather than preventing spread.  So staff might still pass it on if they have had their jabs, even more of a reason to start with the vulnerable - the fatality rate can be over 25% in the over-90s.

Incidentally it's also not a good idea to vaccinate all staff at once in any case.  If some do suffer mild side-effects (which seems most common after the second jab and may just be an indication that the vaccine is working) then you don't want them all having to take the same day off because they feel a bit woozy.

So rather than protect the most vulnerable first, the DHSC seem to have decided to protect ... themselves.  What a surprise.  It's not a good look is it?

I completely disagree. The situation where doctors, nurses, cleaners, porters, anyone who works in a hospital and have been getting ill and in cases dying is absolutely terrible. Get them protected first, they're the most important. They can't look after you if they're already dead.

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Maybe a little off topic, but watching the news just now, I couldn’t  help noticing that when Boris was speaking at a vaccination centre, the seal on his mask was so bad that his fringe blew upwards everytime he spoke.

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* waves * Hello there! New poster here.

There seem to be a lot of well-informed/medical bods on here so I was wondering if you knew the answer to this. The Gov is putting out posts on Facebook saying hurray, we have vaccinated 315 people today - but I thought the trays of Pfizer vaccine each did 975 jabs and had to be used within a few hours of defrosting? Are they managing to extract and use a few vials per day or are the remaining 660 jabs going to waste?

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1 minute ago, Carolinas said:

* waves * Hello there! New poster here.

There seem to be a lot of well-informed/medical bods on here so I was wondering if you knew the answer to this. The Gov is putting out posts on Facebook saying hurray, we have vaccinated 315 people today - but I thought the trays of Pfizer vaccine each did 975 jabs and had to be used within a few hours of defrosting? Are they managing to extract and use a few vials per day or are the remaining 660 jabs going to waste?

Once unfrozen  it has to be refrigerated and used within 5 days.

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2 minutes ago, Carolinas said:

* waves * Hello there! New poster here.

There seem to be a lot of well-informed/medical bods on here so I was wondering if you knew the answer to this. The Gov is putting out posts on Facebook saying hurray, we have vaccinated 315 people today - but I thought the trays of Pfizer vaccine each did 975 jabs and had to be used within a few hours of defrosting? Are they managing to extract and use a few vials per day or are the remaining 660 jabs going to waste?

Safe in the fridge for a few days, but can’t be refrozen or transported. 

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