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Just now, Carolinas said:

Ah, thank you! (I was fretting about that, having previously been a civil servant and being well aware of how wrong administration can go sometimes!)

With views like that, you're in good company here!

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Who is talking about setting up in a cowshed?  There are plenty of nice, warm venues large enough to do this on the IOM without OTT adaptations.  

It was quite revealing when at one of the briefings last week he spent quite a while explaining how the IOM's clinicians had debated whether to extend the period between doses, and it was a consensus

Timeout. You were given a gentle hint earlier. 

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1 minute ago, jaymann said:

With views like that, you're in good company here!

Yeah, but she also described us as well informed. This is the notoriously ill-informed manx forums, as described by Geoff Corkish.

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23 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

Maybe a little off topic, but watching the news just now, I couldn’t  help noticing that when Boris was speaking at a vaccination centre, the seal on his mask was so bad that his fringe blew upwards everytime he spoke.

Well Dilli - firstly, 10/10 for observation. I’m  sure we will all be astonished to learn that Johnson appears to be incompetent. None of us would have expected that. 

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1 hour ago, dilligaf said:

s there any point protecting all the elderly, if the medical staff are all sick. Keep the carers alive first surely. The healthy over 80’s won’t be able to look after the doctors, nurses and carers. 

Not everyone in hospital is caring for covid patients. There should be clear lines of demarcation between the covid and non covid areas and staff should have been segregated to those different areas to avoid cross infection risks etc.

There are many clinical staff in the community and GP practices who will probably not be considered front line staff who could be called upon if the need arises.

I am sure good planning by those that matter have carefully considered the risks associated with this programme and have  a good risk management plan in place. 😁

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5 hours ago, John Wright said:

More a case of GDPR

 

5 hours ago, wrighty said:

Fair point. I’ll inform some relevant people. 

Just send it to our esteemed DHSC Minister and he can bin it in line with GDPR best practice 

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3 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

...the only people they seem to be vaccinating are staff.  Now this goes against the JCVI advice on priority groups:

Not really against this and just how it goes. If work in toothpaste factor you get first dibs on toothpaste, ditto people in healthcare. But strategically, with UK listing 1.6M staff, I assume we have around 1,600 healthcare staff here. If vaccinate all these straight off bat, then who will fill in for inevitable people who fail to turn up to their appointment. I would keep say 10-20 NHS staff on standby each day to pop down each day to take any jabs people fail to turn up for to previous loss.  

3 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

the fatality rate can be over 25% in the over-90s.

The JVCI schema does not optimize mortality risk to any granularity. There will be blood cancer patients at 40% mortality risk (bucket (4)) who will be flying over to Liverpool for regular treatment. There life expectancy may be in single digits but may well by longer than typical over-90 year old. Also JVCI and NICE not consistent in that NICE considered number of quality additional years of life to maximise as benefit to optimize (typically against cost).

What worries me are people in general population who will develop say a cancer or autoimmune condition, and prior to formal diagnosis (which can take 2+ years) are infected with COVID. Very possible OAPs all fly off to Spain in Summer and return to infect such people (for example their Tesco delivery guy) who will have no protection at that point in time.

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So, 6 vaccinators at ward 20 today. Plus support staff. 315 doses injected. So that’s an average of 52 each. 

Assuming a 7.5 hour day it’s between 8-10 minutes per vaccinator per shot.

Still, if they have the staff, and can cover 7 days a week it’s 2,200 a week. If it’s only 5 days per week it’s 1,600 pw.

And that’s pfizer. Possibly when AstraZeneca arrives and the airport vaccination centre starts to operate they can double the rate and do 1600-2200 first doses and 1600-2200 second doses. 
 

That’s between 40 weeks and a year to vaccinate us all, assuming 100% take up.

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4 minutes ago, jaymann said:

I saw a video of inside the check in hall at the airport today. The vax setup is really coming along down there. Looked to be around ~20 booths being built.

So, where in/on the airport is it?

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Just now, John Wright said:

So, where in/on the airport is it?

I'm pretty sure it was in the check in hall

They seem to have left a pair of desks near the lift up to departures open for flights and the rest of the hall is now vax booths.

Assume you'll follow the current one way system, in one end - vax - out the other end (hopefully).

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18 minutes ago, John Wright said:

So, 6 vaccinators at ward 20 today. Plus support staff. 315 doses injected. So that’s an average of 52 each. 

Assuming a 7.5 hour day it’s between 8-10 minutes per vaccinator per shot.

Still, if they have the staff, and can cover 7 days a week it’s 2,200 a week. If it’s only 5 days per week it’s 1,600 pw.

And that’s pfizer. Possibly when AstraZeneca arrives and the airport vaccination centre starts to operate they can double the rate and do 1600-2200 first doses and 1600-2200 second doses. 
 

That’s between 40 weeks and a year to vaccinate us all, assuming 100% take up.

Or, analysed a different way, with a population of approx. 85,000, two doses needed and today's productivity we can immunise the whole population in 540 days!  I am filled with such confidence...

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2 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

I completely disagree. The situation where doctors, nurses, cleaners, porters, anyone who works in a hospital and have been getting ill and in cases dying is absolutely terrible. Get them protected first, they're the most important. They can't look after you if they're already dead.

I suggested that a few weeks ago and got shot down in flames.

Pfft.

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3 minutes ago, Boo Gay'n said:

Or, analysed a different way, with a population of approx. 85,000, two doses needed and today's productivity we can immunise the whole population in 540 days!  I am filled with such confidence...

Kids aren't allowed to have a vaccine yet, except for a few minor medical exceptions (maybe next August at earliest reports are saying)? Which takes the total down by around 12,000.

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