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4 hours ago, John Wright said:

That’s just scaremongering. It shows either panic or total lack of understanding of R. 

Has anywhere had an R rate of 3?  No!

Plus you ignore the effect of lockdown. That has a huge dampening effect.

This is all about risk management. No precaution can be 100% effective. So 14 day gold standard isolation had a 0.5% risk. We’ve now extended to 21 days or 14 and tests on days 1, 6/7 and 13.

Youre brighter than this Andy.

I've seen a lot of discussion around R being around 2.9 in the UK before the first lockdown, and the new strain is said to bump that up by anything from 0.5-0.7.

With unmitigated spread, an R-value of 3 doesn't sound far off.

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So it's not a bypass of fact checking that's accelerating this. Usually, vaccine development is a project like any other. Take the Prom for example. You put in an order or request for a bunch of

I'll have it.  I'm not going to be trying to jump the queue or otherwise particularly seek it out though, but if someone at the hospital approaches me with a needle I won't run away. The safety f

I'll definitely have it. So amusing to watch those brave and bold people who didn't mind/care if they got the virus (and in so doing not knowing how it would affect them) now hand wringing over the sa

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4 hours ago, Happier diner said:

This wind is getting up. Its gonna blow the pigeon off course. Paperwork will be lost and a new set will have to be handwritten. Then there's the search for another pigeon. Of course everything has to be in order.

I hope and prey that one of our journos asks so proper questions today

1) What deliveries of vaccine have we had (by type and number) and when they arrived

2) Day to day figure for number administered (Type/Group)

3) Rolling number with 1 shot

4) Rolling number with both shots

Time to stop all this weasel worded deflection and treat us like we are actually stakeholders in this process.

 

Still weasel words again today and no challenge from the journos

LIkely, hopefully and expecting are the words of the week....still woffling about the 'paperwork' (which is a word I thought died in the 80's)

Next it'll be "more than my jobs worth" to start without all the necessary 'paperwork'. Meantime the rest of the world presses on

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Ok so my tin foil hat is on here, I haven’t seen this suggested elsewhere and I’m unlikely to be in favour for saying this  :

Did the IOM require active C19 cases in order to get hold of the vaccine and now numbers are climbing and active within the community will we be allocated more vaccine as a consequence?

I do realise how ridiculous that statement is and that I really should keep it to myself but after the absolute shit show of a live press conference it got my conspiracy senses tingling.

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57 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Still weasel words again today and no challenge from the journos

LIkely, hopefully and expecting are the words of the week....still woffling about the 'paperwork' (which is a word I thought died in the 80's)

Next it'll be "more than my jobs worth" to start without all the necessary 'paperwork'. Meantime the rest of the world presses on

My guess is that it will suddenly be sorted on Wednesday, when the second tray of AZ arrives.

Howie said "Nobody will receive a first vaccine unless we have their second in stock." 

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58 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Still weasel words again today and no challenge from the journos

LIkely, hopefully and expecting are the words of the week....still woffling about the 'paperwork' (which is a word I thought died in the 80's)

Next it'll be "more than my jobs worth" to start without all the necessary 'paperwork'. Meantime the rest of the world presses on

Did I also hear that the UK has now vaccinated 40% of over 80's and we have done......

None, zero, nada

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My guess is that it will suddenly be sorted on Wednesday, when the second tray of AZ arrives.

Howie said "Nobody will receive a first vaccine unless we have their second in stock." 

But they are talking bullshit. It's like saying I'm not using my car this week because there might be no deliveries of petrol next week. 

Useless shower.

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43 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

Ok so my tin foil hat is on here, I haven’t seen this suggested elsewhere and I’m unlikely to be in favour for saying this  :

Did the IOM require active C19 cases in order to get hold of the vaccine and now numbers are climbing and active within the community will we be allocated more vaccine as a consequence?

I do realise how ridiculous that statement is and that I really should keep it to myself but after the absolute shit show of a live press conference it got my conspiracy senses tingling.

Ha Ha. I can't see that but you never know. 

Why can't someone ask how much we have in the freezer.

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8 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Did I also hear that the UK has now vaccinated 40% of over 80's and we have done......

None, zero, nada

You heard right and they are on target to have all over 70s done by mid February.

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23 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Blimey. That's impressive. We won't have even got the wrappers off the AZ batch to start reading the instructions

From all my dealings with the Manx CS (and unfortunately I have had many), everything is done at a glacial pace. It is an inbuilt culture thing. At least in the UK they realised that red tape was slowing down the rollout so addressed it early on. Unfortunately the direction of travel and the sense of urgency was at the outset dialled to low, as at the time of planning, we had no cases. Another thing you notice about the CS is that they do not like revisiting plans. Maybe they should!

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54 minutes ago, Banker said:

You heard right and they are on target to have all over 70s done by mid February.

That's because they will be mostly dead by then at this rate...

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1 hour ago, Happier diner said:

Did I also hear that the UK has now vaccinated 40% of over 80's and we have done......

None, zero, nada

You could say though, that lots of their over 80’s live here now. 😶

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12 minutes ago, asitis said:

The aged will probably have died of old age by the time the vaccine gets to them in any case !

Hospital, care home workers, Care Home and Residential Home residents due to be completed 1st dose by end January, 2nd dose by 3rd week February. 80’s+ all finished by end February. 70s+ dose 1 by mid March. 

The UK figures for where they’ll get to are misleading because their figures to end March are single dose. Different race. Not comparable.

This evenings panorama on BBC made it clear that there are serious vaccine supply chain issues.

Prediction. By Panorama. UK loosening of restrictions not until end April and earliest for most to have gone is end September, but more likely end 2021.

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