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11 hours ago, snowman said:

Hopefully the IOM sticks to the manufacturer recommended follow up timescale for the 2nd doses

 

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/19/single-covid-vaccine-dose-in-israel-less-effective-than-we-hoped?__twitter_impression=true

 

31 minutes ago, jaymann said:

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/iom-looks-into-delaying-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/

This should come as absolutely no surprise really and just makes another farce of the whole damn process so far.

And when you read the two together it’s clear that 12 week interval vaccination really doesn’t make sense.

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Who is talking about setting up in a cowshed?  There are plenty of nice, warm venues large enough to do this on the IOM without OTT adaptations.  

It was quite revealing when at one of the briefings last week he spent quite a while explaining how the IOM's clinicians had debated whether to extend the period between doses, and it was a consensus

It is, it seems commendable the way it is working, but that does not detract from the fact it could have been done much cheaper and much quicker by using re useable equipment. It has cost 140k I under

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On 1/18/2021 at 5:37 PM, Banker said:

Surprised no one actually asked what stocks we have of each vaccine so it could be established if the roll out could be quicker 

As the roll out by UK to the CD and BOT is supposed to be pro rata/per head it would be interesting to know why Gibraltar, with a population of 33,000, has received over 15,000 doses.

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36 minutes ago, jaymann said:

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/iom-looks-into-delaying-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/

This should come as absolutely no surprise really and just makes another farce of the whole damn process so far.

Oh FFS. I can understand the UK doing it as they have to balance the level of infections against the benefits of a single dose but that is not a stage we are at yet (and hopefully never will he at)

Just do it properly Dave.

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5 minutes ago, John Wright said:

As the roll out by UK to the CD and BOT is supposed to be pro rata/per head it would be interesting to know why Gibraltar, with a population of 33,000, has received over 15,000 doses.

This was a question I had too. Intrigued to know where their supply is coming from.

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2 minutes ago, jaymann said:

This was a question I had too. Intrigued to know where their supply is coming from.

UK NHS purchasing, same as ours.

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1 hour ago, jaymann said:

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/iom-looks-into-delaying-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/

This should come as absolutely no surprise really and just makes another farce of the whole damn process so far.

But if you actually listen to the audio clip, David Ashford is NOT saying what this sensationalist headline is!

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2 minutes ago, Manx Bean said:

But if you actually listen to the audio clip, David Ashford is NOT saying what this sensationalist headline is!

“it is something our clinical group have been looking at” sounds like exactly what the headline says? 

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You know what would stop all these awkward pressers and conjecture on social media etc etc ........ If they were honest and open about the situation, there would be no need for Howard to throw teddies out the cot or Ashie to squirm uncomfortably in the spotlight, or to pass the question as though it were a ball on fire !

How refreshing would it be for them to stand up and say today we have x number of vaccinations in storage, our policy is to do x with them, so far we have done .....

The only questions then would be about policy not about what is clearly being withheld !

The more you spin the more pressers and conjecture become uncomfortable, politics lesson 1.

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1 hour ago, John Wright said:

 

And when you read the two together it’s clear that 12 week interval vaccination really doesn’t make sense.

They may follow Guernsey as they usually do, they are giving all over 80s their 2 doses within 21 days and then all other groups doses 6 weeks apart. 
 

The Guernsey model maybe a fair compromise to protect most vulnerable and ensure as many as possible get vaccinated quickly 

https://www.islandfm.com/news/guernsey-news/six-week-gap-covid-vaccine-doses/

 

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Ashford said a week ago in a press briefing that there was no need to change from the 12 week interval becuse the island was in a very different situation to the UK

 

Clearly there are concerns from Israel.  

 

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Answering questions from Sky News viewers, Sir Patrick was asked about an analysis from Israel, where the Pfizer jab has been rolled out the fastest.

That study suggested the effectiveness of the vaccine after a single dose was as low as 33% - rather than the 89% that had initially been thought.

The 89% figure - pointing to high short-term protection - was used to help justify the UK's decision to delay giving a second vaccine dose to people for up to 12 weeks, as part of a push to get as many people as possible in the UK vaccinated with an initial first dose.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-to-look-very-carefully-at-vaccine-dosing-after-concerns-raised-over-level-of-protection-12193205

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https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-to-look-very-carefully-at-vaccine-dosing-after-concerns-raised-over-level-of-protection-12193205
 

“That study suggested the effectiveness of the vaccine after a single dose was as low as 33% - rather than the 89% that had initially been thought.

The 89% figure - pointing to high short-term protection - was used to help justify the UK's decision to delay giving a second vaccine dose to people for up to 12 weeks, as part of a push to get as many people as possible in the UK vaccinated with an initial first dose.”

 

Edit- sorry, just seen this already shared above.

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43 minutes ago, asitis said:

 

How refreshing would it be for them to stand up and say today we have x number of vaccinations in storage, our policy is to do x with them, so far we have done .....

The only questions then would be about policy not about what is clearly being withheld !

The more you spin the more pressers and conjecture become uncomfortable, politics lesson 1.

He has promised this now on two occasions. We are still waiting

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Patrick valance clarified gap in doses as the headlines are misleading 

Vallance on vaccine dose questions

Here is Sir Patrick's response to questions around the efficacy of the first Pfizer vaccine dose – including a crucial detail around how the approximate 50% protection figure was arrived at.

He points out that it is a figure that takes in results from day 0 to 28 – and, importantly, that "you don’t expect to get any protection" in the first 10 days.

The clear implication is that numbers from the 0-10 days period is dragging that protection figure down to around 50% - when the true figure from 10-21 days and beyond is closer to the 89% found by clinical trials.

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