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Who is talking about setting up in a cowshed?  There are plenty of nice, warm venues large enough to do this on the IOM without OTT adaptations.  

It was quite revealing when at one of the briefings last week he spent quite a while explaining how the IOM's clinicians had debated whether to extend the period between doses, and it was a consensus

Timeout. You were given a gentle hint earlier. 

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1 hour ago, madmanxpilot said:

The Oxford manufacturers seem to be suggesting the 'sweet spot' for the application of their second jab is between 8 and 12 weeks.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/second-shots-of-covid-vaccine-could-be-delayed-further-in-england

Maybe we'll end up with a different strategy for each vaccine type..

Maybe. Oxford is already stated at 28 days rather than Pfizers 21 days. 

Unfortunately, I think paying attention to Israels live study is more important than even the manufacturers, whose arms will be being twisted by many governments. 

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14 minutes ago, Cambon said:

Maybe. Oxford is already stated at 28 days rather than Pfizers 21 days. 

Unfortunately, I think paying attention to Israels live study is more important than even the manufacturers, whose arms will be being twisted by many governments. 

As has been mentioned previously, the 33% figure coming out of Israel represents the whole 21 days post first injection. It is accepted that there is little immunity afforded in the first ten days so its unsurprising that the overall efficacy figures appear lower than expected. As Israel is, as far as I know, giving all second doses at day 21, we'll probably not be able to use their experience to judge the effectiveness of the UK's approach. 

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20 minutes ago, madmanxpilot said:

As has been mentioned previously, the 33% figure coming out of Israel represents the whole 21 days post first injection. It is accepted that there is little immunity afforded in the first ten days so its unsurprising that the overall efficacy figures appear lower than expected. As Israel is, as far as I know, giving all second doses at day 21, we'll probably not be able to use their experience to judge the effectiveness of the UK's approach. 

The Israelis are paying a 40% premium to pfizer to queue jump and to be able to collect and interpret the data. 

Not sure how reliable any data out of Israel will be. After all they’re excluding 35% of the population they are internationally considered responsible for.

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Although Howie says no requirement for vaccine travel cards etc, companies are starting to say they will be required to travel.

Saga Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising.

Although Saga cater for older guests I think it will become more common .


a Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising.

 

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Although Saga cater for older guests I think it will become more common .

Wonder who will sign them as true and for how much......??

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9 minutes ago, Banker said:

Although Howie says no requirement for vaccine travel cards etc, companies are starting to say they will be required to travel.

Saga Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising.

Although Saga cater for older guests I think it will become more common .


a Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising.

 

I can see travel insurance companies requiring you to have it as well

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1 minute ago, Banker said:

Although Howie says no requirement for vaccine travel cards etc, companies are starting to say they will be required to travel.

Saga Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising.

Although Saga cater for older guests I think it will become more common .


a Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising.

 

They do seem to be missing the point as to why so many of us are asking for this proof of vaccination document. It's not so that people can come here, that's for IOM Government to set protocols for, it's to allow us residents to travel freely when travel providers, and indeed countries, require proof of vaccination.

It may well be that we'll have to get a letter from our GPs. This will increase their workload and undoubtedly incur a fee. There are some functions available within the current online health apps such as Patient Access to allow for sharing of vaccination records and there are other apps under development that can link to our health records and allow for certificates to be generated, maybe that's going to be the way forward.

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31 minutes ago, Banker said:

Although Howie says no requirement for vaccine travel cards etc, companies are starting to say they will be required to travel.

Saga Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising.

Although Saga cater for older guests I think it will become more common .


a Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising.

 

Probably for the same reason as airlines, so Saga can cram as many passengers as possible on board. 

With about one third of people unable to have the vaccine, including all under 19s, how will that work? Adult only holidays? Hang on, might be onto something!!! 

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Alf C. suggesting that it would cost the Govt £420k a month to test locals returning to the Island after travel (MR News).

Which might also suggest that they're reluctant to pay it? Meaning that it might just start getting a bit more expensive to come and go eventually?

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7 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Alf C. suggesting that it would cost the Govt £420k a year to test locals returning to the Island after travel (MR News).

Which might also suggest that they're reluctant to pay it? Meaning that it might just start getting a bit more expensive to come and go eventually?

£420k pm !! he said 700 returned December so that’s £600 each or £200 per tests for 3 which seems very costly 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/covering-travellers-covid-tests-would-cost-govt-420k-a-month/

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