John Wright 8,007 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 6 hours ago, piebaps said: It appears that as usual, Eric is being an arse. He quotes the duties of an MHK as representing constituents in Keys & Tynwald and there's no suggestion Allinson hasn't done that. He's now however heading towards a legal tribunal and appears to be asking Allinson for something to support his case. Unless Allinson was involved in the decision which has led to the grievance, then surely there's nothing he can bring to the tribunal - which will deal with the facts of the case and the underlying law. He's quite rightly having nothing to do with it. The collective responsibility rules however do allow him to handle constituency matters if he is minded to do so. https://hr.gov.im/media/1189/the-government-code-february-2017.pdf It’s very one sided. Eric didn’t disclose the text of his letter of request to Dr Allison, just the reply. So we can have no idea whether request or response or both or neither are appropriate/inappropriate 3 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Two-lane 210 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 7 hours ago, piebaps said: It appears that as usual, Eric is being an arse. Maybe he is, but he has a point. This document: https://www.transportforall.org.uk/news/new-regulations-on-scooters-on-buses lists 13 companies that allow Class 2 scooters, and this one: https://www.transportforall.org.uk/news/mobility-scooters-finally-permitted-on-london-buses shows that London Transport also does. But Bus Vannin does not. BV can hardly argue that the British companies have more modern, more user-friendly buses, can they? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
piebaps 3,155 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Its been done to death already in Tynwald. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Annoymouse 828 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 It’s like the whole bus rack saga, when I was told they were going to trial bus racks, I thought these were going inside the bus like luggage racks, perhaps removing one set of seats, never in a million years did I expect they’d try to put an external rack on the front or rear of a bus. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boris Johnson 614 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 8 hours ago, Annoymouse said: It’s like the whole bus rack saga, when I was told they were going to trial bus racks, I thought these were going inside the bus like luggage racks, perhaps removing one set of seats, never in a million years did I expect they’d try to put an external rack on the front or rear of a bus. You have given me an idea. Put front mounted scooter carriers on the buses and insist that the riders have to stay seated on the scooter during the journey. Problem sorted, the riders would act as a cushion in the vent of a collision with children/ cyclists and the scooters dot take up any room inside the bus..... 2 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
piebaps 3,155 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 34 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: You have given me an idea. Put front mounted scooter carriers on the buses and insist that the riders have to stay seated on the scooter during the journey. Problem sorted, the riders would act as a cushion in the vent of a collision with children/ cyclists and the scooters dot take up any room inside the bus..... Its a scorcher! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Max Power 6,408 Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 12 hours ago, Annoymouse said: It’s like the whole bus rack saga, when I was told they were going to trial bus racks, I thought these were going inside the bus like luggage racks, perhaps removing one set of seats, never in a million years did I expect they’d try to put an external rack on the front or rear of a bus. Yes, I don't think we needed to buy any to see that it was a bad idea! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Annoymouse 828 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 17 minutes ago, Max Power said: Yes, I don't think we needed to buy any to see that it was a bad idea! I can’t even think of a single route were they would have worked, on most sharp corners the buses swing over the centre line by a least a foot or more, even pulling into bus stops they quite often have the nose swing right over the pavement. I personally think it was designed to fail, just so they could say ‘well we did try, but it was unsafe’ the reality is they don’t want the drivers responsible for securing the bikes, it’s both a time and liability issue. Easiest solution would be a locker type box with dividers, the passenger/rider being responsible for securing their bike (to save damage claims) and the lid/door automatically locks as soon as the bus in in motion, downside will be the space taken up, I reckon you’d lose at least 2 rows of seats just to fit 2 or maybe 3 bikes in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Non-Believer 12,524 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 7 minutes ago, Annoymouse said: downside will be the space taken up, I reckon you’d lose at least 2 rows of seats just to fit 2 or maybe 3 bikes in. Easily accommodated, there's never any bugger on them 80% of the time.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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