Non-Believer Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 "Minister Skelly was frustrated with the Planning Directorate's adherence to procedures". 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 35 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: It may be that they are too honest and went about things the right way. For many of the worst abuses (and it was certainly a feature of the Meary Voar case) people just act illegally without permission and no enforcement takes place because those who are paid to monitor and enforce the law simply can't be bothered. This applies to officers, legal officers and politicians. It's a mixture of complete laziness and unwillingness to offend the powerful or those thought to be. So bullies flourish simply because they behave badly and those paid to stand up to them don't. Sometimes they compensate by being unfair on those who don't behave badly, like someone bullied at work who goes home and beats up his kids. There was the case of the guy who stupidly built too many holiday cottages on his property recently, Marlow Construction. They made him tear them down apparently. He was a HNW but not the right kind obviously, he liked the TT and suchlike so they feel more comfortable bullying his class into submission. To be fair, the planning department have done some very underhand things to some well off people too. I know of one who has given up investing in the island over the way that he has been treated. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Gay'n Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 I have said before that our politicians get starry-eyed in the face of important/wealthy people. They also have a strong desire to seek glory, coupled with their narcissistic egos. The important/wealthy people on the other hand, know precisely what they want to achieve, and dealing with our politicians is usually like shooting fish in a barrel. We should never forget Mount Murray. The subject of this thread is a recent example. In between, rumours swirled about the sale of the Nunnery, the business dealings of the Hooded Ram geezer etc. In all cases, I am sure that one or more ministers became credulous spokesmen for the important/wealthy folk and in doing so lost all perspective of what was really going on. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 51 minutes ago, Max Power said: There was the case of the guy who stupidly built too many holiday cottages on his property recently, Marlow Construction. They made him tear them down apparently. He was a HNW but not the right kind obviously, he liked the TT and suchlike so they feel more comfortable bullying his class into submission. To be fair, the planning department have done some very underhand things to some well off people too. I know of one who has given up investing in the island over the way that he has been treated. One? There are loads pulling out, not only the planning department that are annoying them. Governement in general are doing a grand job of turning people away having already done the hard part of getting them here in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymann Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: One? There are loads pulling out, not only the planning department that are annoying them. Governement in general are doing a grand job of turning people away having already done the hard part of getting them here in the first place. It's a big problem. One guy I know - just as an example - relocated here 3-4 years ago under lots of promises from DfE (DED for you old timers), Gov even paid for him to live in Coutts House for 6 months+ when he arrived here. When he finally became operational, Gov backtracked a lot and very little of the promised support came to fruition unless he offered up assets as security. It wasn't a ridiculous amount they'd promised either, in comparison to the level of investment in bringing his business to the Island and making jobs. It happens, a lot. Edited January 15, 2021 by jaymann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, jaymann said: It's a big problem. One guy I know - just as an example - relocated here 3-4 years ago under lots of promises from DfE (DED for you old timers), Gov even paid for him to live in Coutts House for 6 months+ when he arrived here. When he finally became operational, Gov backtracked a lot and vey little of the promised support came to fruition unless he offered up assets as security. It wasn't a ridiculous amount they'd promised either, in comparison to the level of investment in bringing his business to the Island and making jobs. It happens, a lot. What??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymann Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said: What??? It happend. He moved out as soon as the freebie period came to an end because he refused to pay such overpriced rents himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) Sorry to come to the party late, but I’ve only just read the report. Jaw-dropping. Why is Skelly still in a job? What is Quayle thinking in not responding to this abject personal and professional failure by one of his Ministers? And well played to the author. What a well written document. Edited January 15, 2021 by Uhtred 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Uhtred said: Sorry to come to the party late, but I’ve only just read the report. Jaw-dropping. Why is Skelly still in a job? What is Quayle thinking in not responding to this abject personnel and professional failure by one of his Ministers? And well played to the author. What a well written document. Skelly is in a job for same reason Cregeen, Harmer & boot are , they support everything Howie says 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Uhtred said: Sorry to come to the party late, but I’ve only just read the report. Jaw-dropping. Why is Skelly still in a job? What is Quayle thinking in not responding to this abject personnel and professional failure by one of his Ministers? How many other abject and professional failures has he made since he's been in office, and not had any accountability for? The Mount Murray findings were arguably worse and Bell didn't go so there's little likelihood of any action being taken over this? The length of time it was buried under refusal of FOI suggests other people could be implicated IMHO...look at the administration it went on under and draw your own..... Edited January 15, 2021 by Non-Believer extra bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 32 minutes ago, jaymann said: It happend. He moved out as soon as the freebie period came to an end because he refused to pay such overpriced rents himself. Yes but the question is why should we pay for it in the first place?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Yes but the question is why should we pay for it in the first place?? Because our Govt has a long-established penchant for throwing our money in the direction of those who already have lots of their own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Non-Believer said: Because our Govt has a long-established penchant for throwing our money in the direction of those who already have lots of their own? Ah.... hadn't thought of that. What a "Stupid Boy" I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Because our Govt has a long-established penchant for throwing our money in the direction of those who already have lots of their own? They have more history of throwing money at con men who pretend they have money but know how to blow smoke up the MHKs arses. It is embarrassing the way they suck up to money, I have first hand experience of this with what went on at the new private hangar at Ronaldsway that the "VAT couple" built. Whatever they wanted they got, "keep him happy" was what I was told. Edited January 15, 2021 by Boris Johnson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynragh Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 8 hours ago, jaymann said: Personally I'm all for moves like this. Just to clarify... you're "all for" a two tier planning system? One for those with enough money and the right friends, and one for everyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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