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2 minutes ago, quilp said:

Do you mean Harcroft? I left the Island shortly after my stint at Razzles so I can't say for certain. It wouldn't surprise me if he did. Liked him immensely, his Xmas parties in the office at the end of Athol Street were memorable. Say no more 😇

Yes, Harcroft. It was OTT flash. I found Chris a little too “larger than life”. And loud when drunk. 

I sort of moved on, restaurant wise, to Pelham M at 69 Athol Street and Molyneux’s in Port Erin and La Rosette in Ballasalla and, of course, Riverside Studio. Had some good lock ins with the chef proprietors in all of those. Used to sleep over on the narrow bench seats upstairs at Laxey Glen Gardens.

Lively Lobster became Lively Lobster and Raging Bull. Run by two nice women. There was an older guy involved, he’d had a stroke. He used to come and stand at the tables and talk, which I hate. It’s why I never liked the Crows Nest.

Steve Paramor is in London, I think. 

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Was Carlo at the Crow's then? I liked him too, my Ma worked for him and wouldn't take any nonsense from him when he got too big for his boots, which was often. He could be a swine to his staff on occasion but lots of chefs are like that. Cooked a good steak though.

Steve Paramor I believe developed cancer but fortunately recovered. He was ok as a boss, paid well and appreciated loyalty. The lock-ins at Razzles were a laugh. Sometimes 30 people gathered and the surreptitious knock on the door at 3am usually stunned the revellers into silence in case it was Sgt. Hall or somesuch. Usually it was another 'club member' looking for some extra after hours revelry.

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4 minutes ago, quilp said:

Was Carlo at the Crow's then? I liked him too, my Ma worked for him and wouldn't take any nonsense from him when he got too big for his boots, which was often. He could be a swine to his staff on occasion but lots of chefs are like that. Cooked a good steak though.

Steve Paramor I believe developed cancer but fortunately recovered. He was ok as a boss, paid well and appreciated loyalty. The lock-ins at Razzles were a laugh. Sometimes 30 people gathered and the surreptitious knock on the door at 3am usually stunned the revellers into silence in case it was Sgt. Hall or somesuch. Usually it was another 'club member' looking for some extra after hours revelry.

Yes. Mr Bagassi. I liked him. But I really hate people standing at the end of the table talking whilst I’m eating, even if it’s in an extreme comedy Italian accent with every third word a profanity.

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I was riding my bike to the casino one night and totally missed the stop sign on Somerset Road and drove right over it into the side of Carlo's car.  I hit it between the front and back seats it the whole thing spilt completely in two down the middle.  Carlo went absolutely berserk shouting and screaming that I'd, "Broken ma fuckin' car!" I was terrified, but when I took my helmet off, and he saw i was a woman he calmed right down, asked did I have insurance, and when I said yes, he said, "It’s only a fuckin car," He rang the caz, told them I wasn't coming in, took me to the sea terminal and fed me Italian food and red wine all night.

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28 minutes ago, quilp said:

Was Carlo at the Crow's then? I liked him too, my Ma worked for him and wouldn't take any nonsense from him when he got too big for his boots, which was often. He could be a swine to his staff on occasion but lots of chefs are like that. Cooked a good steak though.

Steve Paramor I believe developed cancer but fortunately recovered. He was ok as a boss, paid well and appreciated loyalty. The lock-ins at Razzles were a laugh. Sometimes 30 people gathered and the surreptitious knock on the door at 3am usually stunned the revellers into silence in case it was Sgt. Hall or somesuch. Usually it was another 'club member' looking for some extra after hours revelry.

That would have been us. We used to go to the Villiers if we got finished early (3am) and Collum in the cocktail bar would serve us and then at 4am we'd all trip round to Razzles.

Is Steve Paramour Dave's dad?

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3 hours ago, John Wright said:

This was before Malcolm. Steve Paramor. His dad had the Inner Man on Nelson Street.

In that case, it was when I wasn't living here, I am thinking about the mid 80s. 

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1 hour ago, Roxanne said:

That would have been us. We used to go to the Villiers if we got finished early (3am) and Collum in the cocktail bar would serve us and then at 4am we'd all trip round to Razzles.

Is Steve Paramour Dave's dad?

The Villiers was great for the lock-in. Played support to Gibbons for a couple of years during TT and MGP and we'd all head up there after the gig. So many places to go after hours in those days. Don't remember Steve having a son, a daughter yes. Think Steve married John Shea's partner Stephen Moore's sister Greeba. 

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5 hours ago, quilp said:

Going back to the OP, 'It's a Sin' received a review at Unherd which made interesting reading, the comments section also much varied. A thoughtful article, I thought. Would be most interested to know your opinion @John Wright 

https://unherd.com/2021/01/the-other-virus-haunting-our-screens/

It's a 5-minute read... 

mmm. OK. The reviewer has written it in a breathless style that he probably got himself off to, not on his review of the programme, but from the anticipated self flagellating, self hating,  homophobic reaction of the commenters.

Actually, the review is fun, pretty accurate. The loathing and self loathing comments are sad. If I’d read the comments only I’d have said torygraph, wail and express readers. There’s a non-comprehending paternalistic right wing, almost evangelical, moralising Puritanism in those comments. As if they really only do missionary position in sackcloth.

From my lifelong liberal bubble it’s sad, and a little frightening. Funny but tragic. There seems to be a total lack of awareness of theatrical and dramatic devices needed to tell a 10 year story with big themes in a limited time.

Best bit of the review IMO is the description of the 8 successive sex express scenes to the Now That’s What I call Classics sound bites .

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On 1/24/2021 at 8:26 PM, John Wright said:

 Didn’t he buy the Mansion House opposite Spring Valley and have his own restaurant on site?

The Springfield Mansion Country Club. Was at a do there in 88 coincidentally on my 21st and won a bottle of Bacardi in a raffle. That ended well!!

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2 hours ago, John Wright said:

mmm. OK. The reviewer has written it in a breathless style that he probably got himself off to, not on his review of the programme, but from the anticipated self flagellating, self hating,  homophobic reaction of the commenters.

Actually, the review is fun, pretty accurate. The loathing and self loathing comments are sad. If I’d read the comments only I’d have said torygraph, wail and express readers. There’s a non-comprehending paternalistic right wing, almost evangelical, moralising Puritanism in those comments. As if they really only do missionary position in sackcloth.

From my lifelong liberal bubble it’s sad, and a little frightening. Funny but tragic. There seems to be a total lack of awareness of theatrical and dramatic devices needed to tell a 10 year story with big themes in a limited time.

Best bit of the review IMO is the description of the 8 successive sex express scenes to the Now That’s What I call Classics sound bites .

Thanks for your summing-up... The comments were the most surprising of all. Some people are obviously stuck in the dark ages. I'll have to get around to watching. 

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12 minutes ago, piebaps said:

The Springfield Mansion Country Club. Was at a do there in 88 coincidentally on my 21st and won a bottle of Bacardi in a raffle. That ended well!!

I think he’d been banned from the Exec Club at the Palace, and one or two, or more, licensed premises.

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4 hours ago, quilp said:

Thanks for your summing-up... The comments were the most surprising of all. Some people are obviously stuck in the dark ages. I'll have to get around to watching. 

Well worth it, kind of regret binge watching as there is nothing to look forward to. 

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Just now, Gladys said:

Well worth it, kind of regret binge watching as there is nothing to look forward to. 

21st Century Ennui

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