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45 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

I wonder who has signed off the digital flags, have they been tested at 180mph to see how visible they are? surely riders will be solely focused on the road and not looking half way up a pole on the wrong side of a corner? It’s a bit like those German ‘keep left’ signs they stick up every year on the left hand side of the road, why aren’t they on the right hand side so they face the wrong direction of travel they’re trying to prevent?

I take it you have never watched f1 or MotoGP or Indy car?

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18 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said:

I take it you have never watched f1 or MotoGP or Indy car?

Nope, I’ve never seen digital flags on any road racing circuit, hence why I’m asking so many questions, who’s decided where they will be placed or the height they will be placed? will they be utilising existing street furniture or will this be 30+ new poles going up? 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Annoymouse said:

I wonder who has signed off the digital flags, have they been tested at 180mph to see how visible they are? surely riders will be solely focused on the road and not looking half way up a pole on the wrong side of a corner? It’s a bit like those German ‘keep left’ signs they stick up every year on the left hand side of the road, why aren’t they on the right hand side so they face the wrong direction of travel they’re trying to prevent?

Danke Mavis.

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9 hours ago, Lightening McQueen said:

I see they're still advertising drop in sign on sessions for marshalls, I was under the impression (from reading press/social media over the past few months) we had more than enough?

at least they won't be taking it in turns to do shifts at the bar in the QB this year.

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8 hours ago, Annoymouse said:

Nope, I’ve never seen digital flags on any road racing circuit, hence why I’m asking so many questions, who’s decided where they will be placed or the height they will be placed? will they be utilising existing street furniture or will this be 30+ new poles going up? 

 

 

 

This safety measure has indeed made another 30 steel posts available for riders to end their lives against.

I am also not convinced they are that well fixed in the ground either due to their height and huge sail of a solar panel on top. lets hope for low winds.

 

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Every TT at some point I end up saying the same thing. It’s either in you or it isn’t. You either get it or you don’t.

I used to ride bikes and I used to race. It was my life. TT was my favourite time of the year.

Then I fell out of love with it. The whole thing. I haven’t watched or listened to a race in years and have thoroughly enjoyed the last two (?) years of no TT.

Yesterday I drove the coast road to Ramsey and met a group of 20/30 bikers heading Laxey way, all sticking to the speed limit, headlights on and behaving themselves. 

I found my self becoming increasingly excited and ended up waving frantically at them as they passed, even winding down my window and shouting ‘welcome back’ like some mad loon. I actually had tears in my eyes seeing them and even as I’m typing this I have tears in my eyes. 

Fucks sake. I really thought I was over all this nonsense but truly, if it’s in you it’s in you and if it isn’t then you’ll never get it.

Conrods was full of them and yes, I even went around the tables saying how nice it was to see them all again. I cried, again, they cried, someone took pictures  I cried all the way home  

FFS. 

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12 hours ago, 0bserver said:

It's good that marshalls are paying attention to the small print. 

I wouldn't like to be in a marshalls shoes after a multiple fatality incident... the lawyers would be all over you and you could be personally liable.

The decision in relation to the number of marshals at any point was determined by Race Control ( Black Hut 3 marshals and at Casey's 2 marshals  were deemed adequate ) . 

Subsequently Race Control stated that the decision on manning was a joint decision by the DSM at every point and Race control . 

Initially nobody was prepared to accept responsibility of being a DSM at Black Hut /Casey's as there was no liaison with the marshals and racing continued with the previous 'adequate numbers' , and for a number of years we had no DSM at both points.

It is not unreasonable to assert that in the event of an incident involving a fatality an advocate could state that the point was demonstrably undermanned and had the DSM advised Race Control then the race/practice would not have gone ahead and an individual would not have died , and the DSM was therefore culpable.

I remember a CSM was arrested on a manslaughter charge a number of years ago. The case was not pursued as it was a case of 'passing the parcel of blame' based on no evidence whatsoever (  so nothing new there 😉)

One could be forgiven for thinking that those in charge , many of whom are ex military, take the view that the marshals should 'just do as they are told and shut up'  as stated in the ACU's "code of practice" ( referred to when the CSM , sector 10 was sacked). 

Just saying:flowers:

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At least the TT crowd at the grandstand will enjoy a free pee before the miserly Douglas Town Council start charging rate payers 20p to relieve themselves.   It isn’t the 20p that is the problem it is having the requisite coin when money seems to be going out of fashion perhaps they could have a smart app machine fitted to the toilet doors…….this council is the worst in living memory.

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Just now, hissingsid said:

At least the TT crowd at the grandstand will enjoy a free pee before the miserly Douglas Town Council start charging rate payers 20p to relieve themselves.   It isn’t the 20p that is the problem it is having the requisite coin when money seems to be going out of fashion perhaps they could have a smart app machine fitted to the toilet doors…….this council is the worst in living memory.

There was a time that Nobles Park toilets were the ones certain people would be most willing to pay for.

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2 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

At least the TT crowd at the grandstand will enjoy a free pee before the miserly Douglas Town Council start charging rate payers 20p to relieve themselves.   It isn’t the 20p that is the problem it is having the requisite coin when money seems to be going out of fashion perhaps they could have a smart app machine fitted to the toilet doors…….this council is the worst in living memory.

Or just install CCTV?  If the place gets damaged, roll through last night's video to find the scotes who did it!

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He reckoned that it as kids, after school was out etc.   So if the water sprinkler is on after 3.30 pm as it usually is the toilets I’ll be open and free just when they reckon the vandalism takes place…….I tell you …you really cannot follow their warped thinking 🤔.

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The biggest threat to the future of the TT is that visitors get a crap experience this year.

The fact that just about hospitality business and shop is looking for staff that is a real possibility.

I honestly don’t know where they are going to find staff, or if government are doing anything to help?  You can’t even bring people in as there is nowhere for them to stay!

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3 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said:

I honestly don’t know where they are going to find staff, or if government are doing anything to help?  You can’t even bring people in as there is nowhere for them to stay!

There are plenty of people in Govt doing fuck all that I'm sure could be re-deployed. 

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Just now, The Phantom said:

There are plenty of people in Govt doing fuck all that I'm sure could be re-deployed. 

Fair point.  I think the teachers are all off as well and apparently they are all skint.

Maybe a few long days in a hot kitchen might top up their wages (and make them realise they really aren’t that hard done to)

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16 hours ago, Gizo said:

How does it make it safer? If a red flag is showing, an incident has already occurred..How is that safer. 
anyway Hold the front page TT safer because of red lights…let’s try and forget the 37miles of stone walls… 

If a serious incident occurs, the racing needs to stop immediately for the safety of all competitors, marshals, spectators and emergency services. There could be marshals and medics on the track attending to both riders and debris. There may well be the need to get emergency vehicles onto the course. A red flag can’t stop the initial incident from happening, obviously, but stopping everyone immediately could prevent the incident becoming much more serious when a rider barrels into an unforeseen situation at 200mph.  

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