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45 minutes ago, Newsdesk said:

The press black out within 10 minutes of the incident occurring should have told everyone all they needed to know. It will be interesting to see the spin their PR people try to put on this. A new TT sidecar team who had literally a few laps practice sadly plowing into a wall within a mile of the starting line. I’m sure they’re waiting to see what happens to the rider who does not sadly sound to be in good shape either. But it just highlights how unpalatable aspects of the TT are.

I wonder how many actual completed laps of practice the sidecars had, as I got the impression that they were sacrificed for the other classes, where the practice sessions were red flagged. 
 

Will Sidecar Race 1 be restarted during the week, if so will be competitors be given an opportunity to practice, or will the bigger paying teams get more practice time?

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22 minutes ago, 2112 said:

I wonder how many actual completed laps of practice the sidecars had, as I got the impression that they were sacrificed for the other classes, where the practice sessions were red flagged. 

The sidecars got only a few laps of practice in that’s for sure. You get a sense of panic setting in on the PR side already. The delays in the red flag system (isn’t this new for this year?) also seem to have fired a lot more sidecar crews into this mess given how close the incident was to the starting line. As someone has said above a delay of even 30 seconds will fire a lot more crews into an already bad situation. I would guess they’re waiting for news on the rider before saying anything further. 

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1 hour ago, Mysteron said:

A few marshals I've spoken to are firmly of the opinion that without the TT the Isle of Man would be crippled financially.  Quite how they think two weeks revenue keeps the island afloat the rest of the year is beyond my comprehension.  And, that the finance sector provides a significant portion of the island's GDP is seemingly beyond theirs. 

If the TT is as profitable as some would have you believe, then I'm sure by now Isle of Man Government would have produced or invented some statistics to prove their case.  But nothing, beyond the usual platitudes.  Instead, we are told that to establish such profitability etc is complicated.  And in Isle of Man Government speak, we all know what that means.    

To be fair, I know a couple of already very seasonal businesses that'd fold without the TT. 

Not that I think the financials are that relevant anyway. 

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1 hour ago, Newsdesk said:

The press black out within 10 minutes of the incident occurring should have told everyone all they needed to know. It will be interesting to see the spin their PR people try to put on this. A new TT sidecar team who had literally a few laps practice sadly plowing into a wall within a mile of the starting line. I’m sure they’re waiting to see what happens to the rider who does not sadly sound to be in good shape either. But it just highlights how unpalatable aspects of the TT are.

Why would they try to put a feckin "spin" on it. A rider has tragically lost his life but some on here use it as an "I told you so". An average of 6 motorcyclists a week lose their lives in accidents on UK roads. Racers here are aware of the risks involved with motorcycling and not just at the TT. There have been around 120 deaths involving the GP series. They don't go out with the intention of getting killed but sadly, very sadly it happens. What can be done to prevent this? I'd guess not a lot. Course safety has been improved in recent years but not to the point that total protection can be guaranteed

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Just to interject on all the doom and gloom. I saw this up at the Creg yesterday in the burger hut by the grandstand. Just pointing out that charging a £1 surcharge for people to pay by debit card is illegal in the IOM just as it is everywhere else in the UK you greedy shits. 

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5 minutes ago, Passing Time said:

Why would they try to put a feckin "spin" on it. A rider has tragically lost his life but some on here use it as an "I told you so". An average of 6 motorcyclists a week lose their lives in accidents on UK roads. Racers here are aware of the risks involved with motorcycling and not just at the TT. There have been around 120 deaths involving the GP series. They don't go out with the intention of getting killed but sadly, very sadly it happens. What can be done to prevent this? I'd guess not a lot. Course safety has been improved in recent years but not to the point that total protection can be guaranteed

Didn't the majority of GP deaths take place in the Isle of Man TT when it was part of the GP calendar?

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2 minutes ago, Passing Time said:

Why would they try to put a feckin "spin" on it. A rider has tragically lost his life but some on here use it as an "I told you so". An average of 6 motorcyclists a week lose their lives in accidents on UK roads. Racers here are aware of the risks involved with motorcycling and not just at the TT. There have been around 120 deaths involving the GP series. They don't go out with the intention of getting killed but sadly, very sadly it happens. What can be done to prevent this? I'd guess not a lot. Course safety has been improved in recent years but not to the point that total protection can be guaranteed

Those motorcyclists though are not dying in the name of sport to entertain you and others, or partaking in an an event designed to attract tourists and make money.

I don't think I have ever been asked to attend any other event, sporting pr otherwise, where there is an expectation that somebody may die whilst I am watching it.  Or that after the event where people have died there will be people standing up and referring it as a great event this year.

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Posted (edited)
Circuit Total First Last
United Kingdom Isle of Man TT Mountain Course 36 1949 1976
Belgium Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps 10 1949 1984
Netherlands TT Circuit Assen 7 1957 1975
Italy Autodromo Nazionale Monza 4 1954 1973
United Kingdom Silverstone Circuit 4 1980 1983
United Kingdom Clady Circuit 3 1951 1952
Germany Solitudering 3 1954 1964
United Kingdom Dundrod Circuit 3 1955 1961
Czech Republic Brno Circuit 3 1969 1981
Germany Hockenheimring 3 1968 1994
Germany Sachsenring 3 1967 1971
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Opatija Circuit 3 1974 1977
Italy Mugello Circuit 3 1976 2021
Switzerland Circuit Bremgarten 2 1952 1952
Germany Nürburgring 2 1955 1970
Finland Imatra Circuit 2 1964 1982
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Automotodrom Grobnik 2 1981 1983
France Bugatti Circuit 2 1983 1983
France Circuit d'Albi 1 1951 1951
France Charade Circuit 1 1963 1963
Austria Salzburgring 1 1977 1977
Italy Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari 1 1981 1981
France Circuit Paul Ricard 1 1988 1988
Spain Circuito de Jerez 1 1993 1993
Japan Suzuka Circuit 1 2003 2003
Italy Misano Circuit 1 2010 2010
Malaysia Sepang International Circuit 1 2011 2011
Spain Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya 1 2016 2016

Sadly the full stats can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rider_deaths_in_motorcycle_racing

 

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I’m almost certain this same debate happens every TT, it goes round and round in circles until people eventually get bored and the next one starts up. It must be nearly a tradition as old as the TT itself.

 

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4 minutes ago, Passing Time said:

Why would they try to put a feckin "spin" on it. A rider has tragically lost his life but some on here use it as an "I told you so". An average of 6 motorcyclists a week lose their lives in accidents on UK roads. Racers here are aware of the risks involved with motorcycling and not just at the TT. There have been around 120 deaths involving the GP series. They don't go out with the intention of getting killed but sadly, very sadly it happens. What can be done to prevent this? I'd guess not a lot. Course safety has been improved in recent years but not to the point that total protection can be guaranteed

I would guess the number of motoring fatalities in any one week in the UK easily outnumbers those involving motorcyclists, as inevitably accidents do happen.   However, by and large, they're not in circumstances/events where it's tangibly supported and actively encouraged by the government.  Big difference, in my book.  That also might account for why the authorities may elect to "spin" things - trying to defend what even they must now start to realise is becoming indefensible. 

Everything has its day, and I suppose the skill is in knowing when to actually call it a day.  In my opinion, the TT defenders etc are beginning to sound a bit like the National Rifle Association in the USA defending the right to bear arms.   

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22 minutes ago, HeliX said:

To be fair, I know a couple of already very seasonal businesses that'd fold without the TT. 

Not that I think the financials are that relevant anyway. 

I don't doubt that's correct.  However, the marshals I know were referring to 'Isle of Man PLC' rather than seasonal businesses.  The island's livelihood relied on the TT according to them.

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1 hour ago, Mistercee said:

It would appear that there may be a lot more to come out about the incident at the bottom of Bray Hill. Autosport magazine are reporting "it is thought that" two outfits were involved. 

 

 Sidecar racer dies after incident on Saturday at Isle of Man TT (autosport.com)

 

Are they more on the ball than our local media outlets?  

Pretty certain that that's not the case, there would be no reason to cover anything like this up, plenty of witnesses and on film by Greenlight.

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