2112 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 45 minutes ago, Newsdesk said: The press black out within 10 minutes of the incident occurring should have told everyone all they needed to know. It will be interesting to see the spin their PR people try to put on this. A new TT sidecar team who had literally a few laps practice sadly plowing into a wall within a mile of the starting line. I’m sure they’re waiting to see what happens to the rider who does not sadly sound to be in good shape either. But it just highlights how unpalatable aspects of the TT are. I wonder how many actual completed laps of practice the sidecars had, as I got the impression that they were sacrificed for the other classes, where the practice sessions were red flagged. Will Sidecar Race 1 be restarted during the week, if so will be competitors be given an opportunity to practice, or will the bigger paying teams get more practice time? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsdesk Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 22 minutes ago, 2112 said: I wonder how many actual completed laps of practice the sidecars had, as I got the impression that they were sacrificed for the other classes, where the practice sessions were red flagged. The sidecars got only a few laps of practice in that’s for sure. You get a sense of panic setting in on the PR side already. The delays in the red flag system (isn’t this new for this year?) also seem to have fired a lot more sidecar crews into this mess given how close the incident was to the starting line. As someone has said above a delay of even 30 seconds will fire a lot more crews into an already bad situation. I would guess they’re waiting for news on the rider before saying anything further. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 1 hour ago, Mysteron said: A few marshals I've spoken to are firmly of the opinion that without the TT the Isle of Man would be crippled financially. Quite how they think two weeks revenue keeps the island afloat the rest of the year is beyond my comprehension. And, that the finance sector provides a significant portion of the island's GDP is seemingly beyond theirs. If the TT is as profitable as some would have you believe, then I'm sure by now Isle of Man Government would have produced or invented some statistics to prove their case. But nothing, beyond the usual platitudes. Instead, we are told that to establish such profitability etc is complicated. And in Isle of Man Government speak, we all know what that means. To be fair, I know a couple of already very seasonal businesses that'd fold without the TT. Not that I think the financials are that relevant anyway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 1 hour ago, Newsdesk said: The press black out within 10 minutes of the incident occurring should have told everyone all they needed to know. It will be interesting to see the spin their PR people try to put on this. A new TT sidecar team who had literally a few laps practice sadly plowing into a wall within a mile of the starting line. I’m sure they’re waiting to see what happens to the rider who does not sadly sound to be in good shape either. But it just highlights how unpalatable aspects of the TT are. Why would they try to put a feckin "spin" on it. A rider has tragically lost his life but some on here use it as an "I told you so". An average of 6 motorcyclists a week lose their lives in accidents on UK roads. Racers here are aware of the risks involved with motorcycling and not just at the TT. There have been around 120 deaths involving the GP series. They don't go out with the intention of getting killed but sadly, very sadly it happens. What can be done to prevent this? I'd guess not a lot. Course safety has been improved in recent years but not to the point that total protection can be guaranteed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steady Eddie Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Just to interject on all the doom and gloom. I saw this up at the Creg yesterday in the burger hut by the grandstand. Just pointing out that charging a £1 surcharge for people to pay by debit card is illegal in the IOM just as it is everywhere else in the UK you greedy shits. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 5 minutes ago, Passing Time said: Why would they try to put a feckin "spin" on it. A rider has tragically lost his life but some on here use it as an "I told you so". An average of 6 motorcyclists a week lose their lives in accidents on UK roads. Racers here are aware of the risks involved with motorcycling and not just at the TT. There have been around 120 deaths involving the GP series. They don't go out with the intention of getting killed but sadly, very sadly it happens. What can be done to prevent this? I'd guess not a lot. Course safety has been improved in recent years but not to the point that total protection can be guaranteed Didn't the majority of GP deaths take place in the Isle of Man TT when it was part of the GP calendar? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 2 minutes ago, Twitch said: Didn't the majority of GP deaths take place in the Isle of Man TT when it was part of the GP calendar? Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 3 minutes ago, Twitch said: Didn't the majority of GP deaths take place in the Isle of Man TT when it was part of the GP calendar? Yes they are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 2 minutes ago, Passing Time said: Why would they try to put a feckin "spin" on it. A rider has tragically lost his life but some on here use it as an "I told you so". An average of 6 motorcyclists a week lose their lives in accidents on UK roads. Racers here are aware of the risks involved with motorcycling and not just at the TT. There have been around 120 deaths involving the GP series. They don't go out with the intention of getting killed but sadly, very sadly it happens. What can be done to prevent this? I'd guess not a lot. Course safety has been improved in recent years but not to the point that total protection can be guaranteed Those motorcyclists though are not dying in the name of sport to entertain you and others, or partaking in an an event designed to attract tourists and make money. I don't think I have ever been asked to attend any other event, sporting pr otherwise, where there is an expectation that somebody may die whilst I am watching it. Or that after the event where people have died there will be people standing up and referring it as a great event this year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 1 minute ago, Bandits said: Yes they are! No they didn't, try reading up on it and post something factual for a change... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 (edited) Circuit Total First Last Isle of Man TT Mountain Course 36 1949 1976 Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps 10 1949 1984 TT Circuit Assen 7 1957 1975 Autodromo Nazionale Monza 4 1954 1973 Silverstone Circuit 4 1980 1983 Clady Circuit 3 1951 1952 Solitudering 3 1954 1964 Dundrod Circuit 3 1955 1961 Brno Circuit 3 1969 1981 Hockenheimring 3 1968 1994 Sachsenring 3 1967 1971 Opatija Circuit 3 1974 1977 Mugello Circuit 3 1976 2021 Circuit Bremgarten 2 1952 1952 Nürburgring 2 1955 1970 Imatra Circuit 2 1964 1982 Automotodrom Grobnik 2 1981 1983 Bugatti Circuit 2 1983 1983 Circuit d'Albi 1 1951 1951 Charade Circuit 1 1963 1963 Salzburgring 1 1977 1977 Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari 1 1981 1981 Circuit Paul Ricard 1 1988 1988 Circuito de Jerez 1 1993 1993 Suzuka Circuit 1 2003 2003 Misano Circuit 1 2010 2010 Sepang International Circuit 1 2011 2011 Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya 1 2016 2016 Sadly the full stats can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rider_deaths_in_motorcycle_racing Edited June 5 by Passing Time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 I’m almost certain this same debate happens every TT, it goes round and round in circles until people eventually get bored and the next one starts up. It must be nearly a tradition as old as the TT itself. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 4 minutes ago, Passing Time said: Why would they try to put a feckin "spin" on it. A rider has tragically lost his life but some on here use it as an "I told you so". An average of 6 motorcyclists a week lose their lives in accidents on UK roads. Racers here are aware of the risks involved with motorcycling and not just at the TT. There have been around 120 deaths involving the GP series. They don't go out with the intention of getting killed but sadly, very sadly it happens. What can be done to prevent this? I'd guess not a lot. Course safety has been improved in recent years but not to the point that total protection can be guaranteed I would guess the number of motoring fatalities in any one week in the UK easily outnumbers those involving motorcyclists, as inevitably accidents do happen. However, by and large, they're not in circumstances/events where it's tangibly supported and actively encouraged by the government. Big difference, in my book. That also might account for why the authorities may elect to "spin" things - trying to defend what even they must now start to realise is becoming indefensible. Everything has its day, and I suppose the skill is in knowing when to actually call it a day. In my opinion, the TT defenders etc are beginning to sound a bit like the National Rifle Association in the USA defending the right to bear arms. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 22 minutes ago, HeliX said: To be fair, I know a couple of already very seasonal businesses that'd fold without the TT. Not that I think the financials are that relevant anyway. I don't doubt that's correct. However, the marshals I know were referring to 'Isle of Man PLC' rather than seasonal businesses. The island's livelihood relied on the TT according to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 1 hour ago, Mistercee said: It would appear that there may be a lot more to come out about the incident at the bottom of Bray Hill. Autosport magazine are reporting "it is thought that" two outfits were involved. Sidecar racer dies after incident on Saturday at Isle of Man TT (autosport.com) Are they more on the ball than our local media outlets? Pretty certain that that's not the case, there would be no reason to cover anything like this up, plenty of witnesses and on film by Greenlight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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