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5 minutes ago, Kopek said:

Bear Baiting, Fox Hunting, Bull Fighting, Cock Fighting, using the whip in Horse Racing, Dog fighting etc etc.

These are all areas that WE have decided are not morally acceptable to us anymore!!!

Yeah, they all involve torturing animals. Not sure I see the relation.

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4 minutes ago, Mr. Sausages said:

You mean things like seatbelts, crash helmets, speed limits, safety harnesses, air traffic controllers, pilots’ licences, making sure the loading door on the ferry is shut. It’s all the stuff of crazy nightmares. It’ll never happen though. And doesn’t need to, so long as people know the risks. 

Do any of those things prevent someone from engaging in an activity, or do they just make the activity safer? Answer on a postcard...

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23 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Air bag suits are good - and I'd expect a lot of the grid are using them. Perhaps it should be mandatory though, like a helmet that meets certain specs is.

If it’s proven they prevent injuries then yes they absolutely should be mandatory, is there anyone not wearing one for a slight weight advantage?, we keep being told every kilo counts but safety shouldn’t be scrimped on.

Could bikes also be fitted with some sort of kill switch/tilt switch that if it’s involved in a big smash it automatically signals to race control?, something GPS/telematics based like a black box?

 

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2 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Do any of those things prevent someone from engaging in an activity, or do they just make the activity safer? Answer on a postcard...

I’m prevented from flying an aeroplane. I’m prevented from watching YouTube while I drive. I’m prevented from playing golf in strand street. I’m prevented from firing a rifle at the moon from my bedroom window.

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Sausages said:

I’m prevented from flying an aeroplane. I’m prevented from watching YouTube while I drive. I’m prevented from playing golf in strand street. I’m prevented from firing a rifle at the moon from my bedroom window.

So again a list of activities that can be participated in, with conditions on your participation. Like... I dunno, a race with restrictions on entries and required equipment. These are not the same as blanket banning the activity. People are allowed to fly planes. People are allowed to watch YouTube. People are allowed to drive cars. You're allowed to be a very silly sausages.

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8 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

If it’s proven they prevent injuries then yes they absolutely should be mandatory, is there anyone not wearing one for a slight weight advantage?, we keep being told every kilo counts but safety shouldn’t be scrimped on.

Could bikes also be fitted with some sort of kill switch/tilt switch that if it’s involved in a big smash it automatically signals to race control?, something GPS/telematics based like a black box?

Whether it's proven they prevent injuries or not is difficult. Motorcycle crashes are frequently odd. Expected outcomes from the mechanism of injury often don't play out - in both directions. You can have a horrific mechanism and be fine, or what appears to be a relatively benign crash and die. But yes they should probably be mandatory. Doubt anyone is scrimping on them for the sake of a kilo, maybe for the sake of a grand though.

Accelerometer would do it for alerting an impact. Airbag suits already use a variety of metrics to inflate as early in a crash as possible. Don't see why there's a reason bikes transponders couldn't have something to communicate with race control.

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2 minutes ago, HeliX said:

So again a list of activities that can be participated in, with conditions on your participation. Like... I dunno, a race with restrictions on entries and required equipment. These are not the same as blanket banning the activity. People are allowed to fly planes. People are allowed to watch YouTube. People are allowed to drive cars. You're allowed to be a very silly sausages.

And they were answers to your question  “At what point do we restrict people's behaviour for safety reasons? And not just in relation to the TT, either...” 

Pay attention to the world around you. Lots, if not most of our behaviour is restricted for safety reasons. It’s not an unusual thing to do. 

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All the things Kopek mention involve cruelty to animals that have no option to participate in these horrible activities….riders have every option they love the thrill of speed and competition there is no comparison.    

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Just now, Mr. Sausages said:

And they were answers to your question  “At what point do we restrict people's behaviour for safety reasons? And not just in relation to the TT, either...” 

Pay attention to the world around you. Lots, if not most of our behaviour is restricted for safety reasons. It’s not an unusual thing to do. 

But in most of those cases, the thing itself isn't banned. There are rules on how/where/when you can do it.

We obviously have a tolerance for some level of risk, particularly when it's personal risk. If we didn't, smoking and drinking would be illegal. McDonald's wouldn't let you in more than once a week. And other such daft comparisons. I don't see why the TT should be different.

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Just now, HeliX said:

But in most of those cases, the thing itself isn't banned. There are rules on how/where/when you can do it.

We obviously have a tolerance for some level of risk, particularly when it's personal risk. If we didn't, smoking and drinking would be illegal. McDonald's wouldn't let you in more than once a week. And other such daft comparisons. I don't see why the TT should be different.

Show me one example of somebody saying motorbike racing should be banned.

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Helix, you have posted so sensibly on subjects such as , mental awareness, teaching, social responsibility for those less fortunate and here you are ashewing your previous balanced view with a defense of your  stance no matter what??? Enter the debate, do not follow your predetermined stance with some of your, frankly, pre determined responses.

You are better than that?

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3 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Don't see why there's a reason bikes transponders couldn't have something to communicate with race control.

I think it needs something, just to try and prevent riders entering a crash scene, the quicker they know about an incident, the less likely that is. To use todays incident that left an oil spill as an example, it will take Marshals a minimum of 30 seconds to react to that, that could be as many as 6 riders going through.

Direct communication between team and riders like F1 might work, but I just can’t imagine someone in my ear at 180mph in a road race not knowing what section you’d be on, unless that’s where the telematics would come in, only contacting the riders that are directly affected by it.

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