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1 hour ago, joebean said:

The MotoGP announcement is a bit short on detail. It does say that the new fuel will power standard internal combustion engines but many questions remain unanswered. It is, currently unlikely that sufficient quantities of such a fuel will be available to power engines in general use and, I suspect the cost of this specially provided fuel will be high. In the world of MotoGP, things are very different to the world of TT. The bikes in MotoGP are built particularly for that purpose and are very expensive to produce and run; they are specialised machines. The sums of money required for racing in MotoGP are very high and the opportunity to acquire high value sponsorship is also much greater. Events within road-racing, which use more production spec machinery and have a much lower cost base, with fairly limited sponsorship incomes are not in a position to invest in high-end, high cost specialised machinery or to incur the high running costs of this specialised machines. I suspect that special fuels are not going to be affordable and that production machinery will not be available to use it. 

There still are high performance bikes being made and sold by the major manufacturers but these are becoming increasingly niche as sales are becoming focussed on smaller-capacity, more fuel-efficient and more practical bikes. It is unlikely that the major manufacturers are going to continue to invest a lot of money and effort into pure sports-based machinery, particularly in an environment where everything is pointing away from sports bikes towards greener, cheaper and less risky 2-wheeled transport. Looking to the future, the TT, in its current form faces many challenges. I don't see the creation of carbon-free fuel for MotoGP being the answer to many of them, at all. 

VW Group are working on a fuel to power sports cars and bikes, probably to be marketed by Porsche and Ducati. As you say, probably expensive too! I guess it will be interesting to see where this leads as I'm far from convinced that EVs are a long term answer, for many reasons based on their current (pardon the pun) performance and technology. 

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7 hours ago, Max Power said:

VW Group are working on a fuel to power sports cars and bikes, probably to be marketed by Porsche and Ducati. As you say, probably expensive too! I guess it will be interesting to see where this leads as I'm far from convinced that EVs are a long term answer, for many reasons based on their current (pardon the pun) performance and technology. 

I think that TT Zero demonstrated that, for racing motorcycles at least, battery power will not be the answer, particularly in endurance events. If motorcycle racing were to use batteries, the events would  have to change significantly to meet battery performance. It would not, for example be like the TT we know. 
At the moment, I have no idea what the future of motorcycle racing is and what will fuel it. That is why I would put the TT in the “future uncertain” category and exercise caution about future financial investment; but there again I am not a politician or working in Government….

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1 hour ago, Lightening McQueen said:

As an aside, did anyone watch the Panorama programme last night, on the Cobalt mining for batteries? Quire disturbing.

Yes, a very disturbing programme. But as @doc.fixitthe greenies won't like it! 

It's a shame the island doesn't have any reserves of cobalt under Laxey and Foxdale - we could let them strip mind it to their heart's content! 

 

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3 hours ago, joebean said:

I think that TT Zero demonstrated that, for racing motorcycles at least, battery power will not be the answer, particularly in endurance events. If motorcycle racing were to use batteries, the events would  have to change significantly to meet battery performance. It would not, for example be like the TT we know. 
At the moment, I have no idea what the future of motorcycle racing is and what will fuel it. That is why I would put the TT in the “future uncertain” category and exercise caution about future financial investment; but there again I am not a politician or working in Government….

I can't see the difference between having to put a new battery in every 2 laps to having to refuel every 2 laps

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23 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

I can't see the difference between having to put a new battery in every 2 laps to having to refuel every 2 laps

When they can get a battery to last two laps and some sort of quick release maybe? Currently, the battery is so large that it is part of the structural integrity of some of these machines.  

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12 hours ago, Max Power said:

VW Group are working on a fuel to power sports cars and bikes, probably to be marketed by Porsche and Ducati. As you say, probably expensive too! I guess it will be interesting to see where this leads as I'm far from convinced that EVs are a long term answer, for many reasons based on their current (pardon the pun) performance and technology. 

Synthetic methanol which is converted into 'eFuel'?

Construction begins on world’s first integrated commercial plant for producing nearly CO₂-neutral fuel in Chile (volkswagenag.com)

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29 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

That's the idea of teams developing the science. They could do it if they needed to.

They do need to if the class is to gain any interest from the sport. In MotoE, they are restricted to seven laps of a c.3 mile circuit. After one run up the Mountain the bikes are struggling for battery capacity, even the Mugens if things don't go to plan. It's one thing sacrificing speed for endurance but that is the problem, it's not racing anymore.

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30 minutes ago, Max Power said:

They do need to if the class is to gain any interest from the sport. In MotoE, they are restricted to seven laps of a c.3 mile circuit. After one run up the Mountain the bikes are struggling for battery capacity, even the Mugens if things don't go to plan. It's one thing sacrificing speed for endurance but that is the problem, it's not racing anymore.

A lot has changed since an e bike last lapped the TT course.  I think you would be surprised.

An electric production road bike with slightly higher battery from today would have a crack at the existing lap record.

 

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Everything is going swimmingly according to the Clerk of the Course who was on Manx Radio at lunchtime, no problems at all, 600 Marshalls being recruited here and away , training given on both sides of the water,  the D.O.I are on board, hot line open to them with frequent reports how the mountain road is being sorted.  A local rider is zipping around the course a couple of times a week assessing problems which are being fast tracked to the D.O.I. for attention.  It is great, it is happening, razz Le dazzle was on top form.   What a total load of bollocks.

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