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8 minutes ago, swoopy2110 said:

"TT organisers "now believe it was César Chanal who died at the scene of the accident on Saturday 4th June. Olivier remains in a critical condition and continues to receive treatment." "

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"On Saturday 4th June during the opening lap of the first Sidecar Race of the 2022 Isle of Man TT Races, an accident at Ago’s Leap involving outfit number 21 of César Chanal and Olivier Lavorel resulted in the death of one of the competitors.
 
The race was stopped with the deployment of full-course red flags, and medical personnel, a Travelling Marshal, and the emergency services were immediately dispatched to the scene.
 
One of the competitors sustained injuries that would not support life and was sadly declared dead at the scene. The second competitor was unconscious with severe injuries.
 
The injured competitor was treated at the roadside before being transferred to Noble’s Hospital, and then airlifted to a specialist hospital in Liverpool to receive treatment.
 
An initial identification procedure was conducted using established procedures and would appear to have resulted in a mistaken identification.
 
We now believe it was César Chanal who died at the scene of the accident on Saturday 4th June. Olivier remains in a critical condition and continues to receive treatment.
 
Both competitors’ families have been informed. 
 
A thorough review of the processes relating to the identification of competitors will take place in due course.
 
Our thoughts are with the family and loved ones of both Olivier and César at this truly devastating time.
 
We ask that people do not speculate on social media."

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https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/tt-organisers-believe-it-was-cesar-chanal-who-died-on-saturday-olivier-remains-in-a-critical-condition/?fbclid=IwAR0Q8lxC_CHN4nlh9EvhYn-q5oWrezIgVwG3cWXBpybHUJxZDJ0DRl1JKCI

 

WTF

WTF this is shambolic, someone should get fired over this. if i fucked up this badly in my post i would be getting the sack.

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4 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Oh, I do think slower bike classes should be used. But the racers aren't thick, the obvious barometer for whether it's too risky or not is are they still entering?

I wonder whether there's something neurological that makes them perceive risk differently. 

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9 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

I thought the same initially.  H

owever if you've got two competitors on the same machine, wearing matching leathers, neither conscious and I doubt they are wearing dog tags, then without someone from the team/family confirming who was who, it's kind of understandable. 

 

Some consideration should be given to find a better way in that case.

Incredible that Olivier's family will now be receiving the news that he isn't in fact dead - but will have had absolute heartache for the last 4 days or so.

If I recall correctly, one of the organisers first announcements at the time was that the race would be re-scheduled and details will be issued as soon as possible. Perhaps they should have focussed more on the riders they were dealing with rather than the TT schedule.

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2 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said:

Maybe keep quiet until you actually know what’s happened eh?

We know what's happened. 

 

What you want is everyone to stay quiet until it all goes away. 

Not this time.

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2 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said:

Maybe keep quiet until you actually know what’s happened eh?

jesus fucking christ do you realise how bad this makes us and i mean the whole island look. The statement is there to read from the organisers.

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3 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

I thought the same initially.  

However if you've got two competitors on the same machine, wearing matching leathers, neither conscious and I doubt they are wearing dog tags, then without someone from the team/family confirming who was who, it's kind of understandable. 

 

Briefly, in the moment. But not before you're informing families. Wouldn't medics need to establish identity for transfusions etc.

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Just now, Declan said:

I wonder whether there's something neurological that makes them perceive risk differently. 

Most humans don't understand risk and probability. You can say the same for smokers, heavy drinkers and drug users too.

Everyone is indestructible...until something happens to them.

Similarly for anyone spending money on the lottery  - 99.999% are overall losers over time.

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Just now, Declan said:

I wonder whether there's something neurological that makes them perceive risk differently. 

More likely that the enjoyment is worth the risk. Everyone perceives risk differently - I'm not sure that's down to neurological differences. I ride a motorbike despite the risk being considerably higher than a car. Don't even use it to commute, purely for enjoyment. Many of my friends would consider that too risky to do themselves, and I've just realised I've set you up to accuse me of having a neurological problem.

I think people just want different things out of life.

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I realise forums are for debate but this has gone full circle enough times for it to be a bit pointless now. There are two sides to every healthy debate and this surely has run its course for another year. Its only serving to wind people up which leads to aggression and trolling, something that we should all think about when we look at the bigger picture - is it really worth it?

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1 minute ago, Declan said:

Briefly, in the moment. But not before you're informing families. Wouldn't medics need to establish identity for transfusions etc.

No, you cross-match blood each time with the patient in front of you. However, if your blood type is on record from a previous admission, then the system would flag up a mismatch if it happened to be different. 

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4 minutes ago, wrighty said:

No, you cross-match blood each time with the patient in front of you. However, if your blood type is on record from a previous admission, then the system would flag up a mismatch if it happened to be different. 

Plus they were brothers, so probably same blood types?

Some military friends have had their blood types tatto'd on their arms. 

 

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