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1 hour ago, WTF said:

he was the mobile chicane making up numbers this year in his capacity as big name crowd gatherer.

The time for John to retire will be when he hasn’t got the backing of a big factory team like Honda UK, until then why wouldn’t he race? He’s still putting in respectable times that many other riders could only dream of.

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4 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said:

All this nonsense talk of carnage at the TT needs to be realigned to carnage in the sidecar races.

There were two serious incidents in Solos and sidecars.  With two people per machine in the sidecars the casualties are unfortunately higher.

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3 minutes ago, WTF said:

what about all the years where solo's made up the death toll and sidecars were fatality free ?

I thought we were talking about this year?

There are numerous new safety measures in places which on the face of this year appear to have worked.  It would be a bit pointless to assume they haven’t based on stats from years before they were implemented 

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5 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said:

He’s right

All this nonsense talk of carnage at the TT needs to be realigned to carnage in the sidecar races.

It pretty simple go look back at this years event without the sidecars and see that it was a great event.

Easy fix.  Sack them off and make more track time available for the event that people are actually interested in.

Classic spin. 
 

nothing to see here. Shush, say it quietly but only 2 dead in the solo’s. If those pesky sidecars killing 3 people, we’d have got away with it. 
 

so a triumphant TT all round, only 2 dead. 

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10 minutes ago, WTF said:

i'm sure we'd have heard about it if a local woman was in the TT sidecars this year so i'd guess she wasn't.

 
Julie Canipa posted this on Facebook a few weeks ago.
 
I can't believe I'm actually writing this but after my 2 1/2 years absence from racing, I was finally looking forward to getting back in the chair along side Michael Russell in preparation for this years TT.
Unfortunately it wasnt until I got back in the chair I realised that this isn't what I want to do anymore, my passion had gone. If your heart is not in this dangerous sport that you once loved so much then it's time to call it a day.
I'm sorry that I let Michael down but he was very understanding of my decision.
I hope that Michael can find another passenger as he's a really great guy!
I would just like to say a " massive thank you" to everyone who has supported me throughout my racing career. I've loved every minute of it!
Bye for now!👍😁🇮🇲
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14 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said:

All this nonsense talk of carnage at the TT needs to be realigned to carnage in the sidecar races.

It pretty simple go look back at this years event without the sidecars and see that it was a great event.

I’m not sure Davy Morgan would agree with that assessment. If he were now alive of course. 

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1 minute ago, Gizo said:

Classic spin. 
 

nothing to see here. Shush, say it quietly but only 2 dead in the solo’s. If those pesky sidecars killing 3 people, we’d have got away with it. 
 

so a triumphant TT all round, only 2 dead. 

Pretty much.

We get that you don’t get it or like it (although I think a few of the biggest complainers actually do, and have been out watching) but as said a million times they all know what they are signing up for.

People we’re predicting carnage this year but in reality it was a relatively incident free event which is credit to the organisers with the exception of two as yet unexplained sidecar incidents.  Without those the overall review of the event would be very different.

So it’s an easy fix.  Wait for the reviews and then either implement changes based on the outcome or remove the sidecars.

I watched every lap of every session at numerous vantage point with bikes and sidecars whizzing past in some cases within inches at at 180mph plus.  In other places I stood on the exits of corners and watched machines at 140mph plus being wrestled by the riders and wiggle towards me on the very limits of adhesion.

It was epic and I like thousand of others have done so for decades.

Long May it continue as it puts absolutely no one at risk who hasn’t chosen to put themselves in that position and brings great pleasure to people.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Newsdesk said:

Liam Beckett the BBC Sports Pundit just on BBC News this morning calling for sidecars to be banned from the TT. 

 

5 minutes ago, WTF said:

what about all the years where solo's made up the death toll and sidecars were fatality free ?

The trouble with sidecars is that there are always two casualties and a lot more debris flying about. They tend to be less reliable due to the strain of pulling an extra wheel and rider around and looking at their stability, this year in particular, it appears that they are on a fine line between being on the track and off it? 

I love the sidecars, they are more technically interesting than the showroom solo classes and I like the teamwork and speeds achieved. I just don't know how long they can be fired down Bray Hill in the hope that they will emerge at Quarterbridge? This may be a reaction to the horror of what has happened, but something has caused two machines to have identical accidents. Until we are sure that it can't happen again, I don't see how they can carry on?

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1 minute ago, Steady Eddie said:

I’m not sure Davy Morgan would agree with that assessment. If he were now alive of course. 

I would put money on the fact that he would.

Did you ever meet him?  Lovely guy and a massive supporter of all forms of road racing with a very level headed approach to and understanding of the risks involved.

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1 minute ago, Youaintseenme said:

I would put money on the fact that he would.

Did you ever meet him?  Lovely guy and a massive supporter of all forms of road racing with a very level headed approach to and understanding of the risks involved.

Yes I met Davy several times. But he is one of the two fatalities of this years solo TT which you claim to have been such a success. 

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6 minutes ago, Steady Eddie said:

Yes I met Davy several times. But he is one of the two fatalities of this years solo TT which you claim to have been such a success. 

Yes I know he was.  I spoke to him the day before his accident.

If you think he didn’t understand the risks or understand that there were likely to be deaths and serious injury at the event then you are deluded.

I can absolutely guarantee that he wouldn’t ever want people using his own death as a tool to try and stop his friends competing in the sport they love.

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45 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

Have we measured the worth of this weeks wide ranging publicity in international media against say, that that was generated by the fairy houses? I think that was about 600k? This must be up in the long millions, or maybe long negatives of millions?

Is the government interested in measuring anything which might have negative connotations, unless it can be spun positively?  

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13 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said:

People we’re predicting carnage this year

And it’s arguable that they got it however way you choose to dress it up. The Daily Mail had the footage of the first sidecar on fire against the garden wall on its website. The family whose garden he ended up in are going through trauma counseling. Then almost the same thing happened a few days later killing two members of the same family. It has been pretty much been absolute carnage. The doesn’t suit some peoples narrative and that’s fine. But if you hold that view you shouldn’t expect other people not to have an opinion that it was in fact carnage. 

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Just now, Newsdesk said:

And it’s arguable that they got it however way you choose to dress it up. The Daily Mail had the footage of the first sidecar on fire against the garden wall on its website. The family whose garden he ended up in are going through trauma counseling. Then almost the same thing happened a few days later killing two members of the same family. It has been pretty much been absolute carnage. The doesn’t suit some peoples narrative and that’s fine. But if you hold that view you shouldn’t expect other people not to have an opinion that it was in fact carnage. 

I have already stated that the sidecar event was carnage and that it should be reviewed and possibly removed from the schedule.

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52 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

Have we measured the worth of this weeks wide ranging publicity in international media against say, that that was generated by the fairy houses? I think that was about 600k? This must be up in the long millions, or maybe long negatives of millions?

Sadly Derek, it will probably guarantee a bigger attendance at next years event. This is how the human mind works, they may be shocked at the terrible outcome, but are attracted by the danger. 

In some ways similar to visiting Ypres or the Somme perhaps? 

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