Max Power Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 2 minutes ago, Gladys said: They were indeed a common form of transport once, but no longer and certainly not in the form that the sidecars race today. In fact not in the form they have been raced in for a very long time. It is hardly road racing of vehicles that would otherwise be driven on the roads. Are they not something of an anachronism, and an inaccurate one at that? Perhaps they are more suited to circuit racing rather than road racing? As I say, they diverged at a time that they were still a common form of transportation. I do take your point as they are mainly raced on short circuits, much like all the rest of the classes. I think we need to understand what happened before making any decisions on whether they should be terminated, hopefully that will be before the next TT! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 22 minutes ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said: So having let the dust settle let’s put some fact into the Greatest show on Earth. 5 people are dead 2 are critical in hospital Questions over suitability of works to QB Road Homeowners offered grief counselling Footballs on Bray Hill Helmets at the Creg Cars videoed going the wrong way down the mountain Spectators hit by debris at Signpost and other one treated for fractures following Agos 2 Wrong dead person announced Rob posting twice yes fucking twice with celebs awaiting a death announcement Greatest show on earth Everything posted above is fact I think many will prefer the fantasy as peddled by IOM government (already...) It’s been a fortnight of terrific highs and heart-breaking lows, but to see the Isle of Man reverberate with the speed, the sound, and the emotion of the TT Races once again has been incredible. Those that we have lost will always be missed, and those that have triumphed will have their names etched in the history books. For now, we reflect on the 2022 Isle of Man TT Races. Oh yeah 5 DEAD... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 39 minutes ago, Roxanne said: It concerns me too. As someone who used to spend time leaping from one handle to another I can tell you it’s pretty hairy. Really Rox? Respect from me... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 12 minutes ago, Gladys said: They were indeed a common form of transport once, but no longer and certainly not in the form that the sidecars race today. In fact not in the form they have been raced in for a very long time. It is hardly road racing of vehicles that would otherwise be driven on the roads. Are they not something of an anachronism, and an inaccurate one at that? Perhaps they are more suited to circuit racing rather than road racing? They do have a wonderful history at the IOM T.T. that shouldn't be forgotten and have provided some fantastic racing over the years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 4 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: They do have a wonderful history at the IOM T.T. that shouldn't be forgotten and have provided some fantastic racing over the years. I really am not arguing against that, and even though not a great fan used to enjoy watching the odd lap to see the passengers working hard in shifting position as the drivers negotiated the course. But, perhaps they are now over specified for road racing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Helmut Fromage Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 19 minutes ago, WTF said: is there a point ? you forgot it rained. Make your own mind up if it’s a good thing - it was also windy and sunny at times if we’re discussing weather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 10 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Really Rox? Respect from me... And me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Helmut Fromage Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Max Power said: Some of it a bit melodramatic but facts as you say. I know Max - I am aware of your background (saw you in Telly onITV4 too) I went down QB Road earlier and it looks horrendous - sarcastic posts and banter aside it should just stop now - as a spectacle it’s excellent but it can never improve death wise without making it slower - and nobody will come Economy wise it’s a myth - the Island loses money Edited June 12 by Mr Helmut Fromage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 6 minutes ago, Gladys said: And me! For the sidecars or the hairy bit! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 When the sidecars went F2 in 1990 they were lucky to lap at 100mph average. The then new 600s in particular were gutless, asthmatic things. Since then we've passed the point that they were deemed too fast in the first place (108mph) and development and this obsession with lap records has pushed them to 120mph and there's equations to show that that's a huge leap in speed. But the basic layout and one man clinging on hasn't changed. Are they just too fast now for the TT course, for what they are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youaintseenme Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 7 minutes ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said: Economy wise it’s a myth - the Island loses money I’ll bite That might be so. I honestly don’t know. it is however undeniable that a lot of the businesses that add to our quality of life through the year wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for TT. My local pub is empty most of the time it is open and only busy Friday and Saturday nights or when there is darts league or football on the TV. This last couple of weeks we haven’t even bothered going because we can’t get in. They have made a packet which will allow them to ride out the rest of the year. The takeaways nearby are the same, as are the restaurants. Taxis make a packet. Hotels. Events businesses. Various shops. Take the TT away and when all these places close the island becomes a place with even less facilities than we already have. I did a blast over the mountain today on the bike with the Mrs on the back. I get a feeling a lot on here would strongly disapprove. I think a lot posting on here also wouldn’t miss the pubs, clubs and restaurants that we would lose of the event ceased to be. They might however miss the Drs, nurses, police and thousands of others who would bail out if our limited entertainment industry was reduced anymore. The TT should continue until such point as they can’t fill the classes. Let the competitors decide. I have just had the best two weeks I have had for years. Great fun, great sport, much food and drink, meeting old friends and making new ones. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youaintseenme Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 minute ago, Non-Believer said: When the sidecars went F2 in 1990 they were lucky to lap at 100mph average. The then new 600s in particular were gutless, asthmatic things. Since then we've passed the point that they were deemed too fast in the first place (108mph) and development and this obsession with lap records has pushed them to 120mph and there's equations to show that that's a huge leap in speed. But the basic layout and one man clinging on hasn't changed. Are they just too fast now for the TT course, for what they are? There were two incidents. Two both at exactly the same spot and pretty much carbon copies of each other. Lets wait for the official investigation and see what they come up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizo Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 54 minutes ago, Max Power said: Some of it a bit melodramatic but facts as you say. Love to know which some bit is melodramatic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 22 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said: I’ll bite That might be so. I honestly don’t know. it is however undeniable that a lot of the businesses that add to our quality of life through the year wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for TT. My local pub is empty most of the time it is open and only busy Friday and Saturday nights or when there is darts league or football on the TV. This last couple of weeks we haven’t even bothered going because we can’t get in. They have made a packet which will allow them to ride out the rest of the year. The takeaways nearby are the same, as are the restaurants. Taxis make a packet. Hotels. Events businesses. Various shops. Take the TT away and when all these places close the island becomes a place with even less facilities than we already have. I did a blast over the mountain today on the bike with the Mrs on the back. I get a feeling a lot on here would strongly disapprove. I think a lot posting on here also wouldn’t miss the pubs, clubs and restaurants that we would lose of the event ceased to be. They might however miss the Drs, nurses, police and thousands of others who would bail out if our limited entertainment industry was reduced anymore. The TT should continue until such point as they can’t fill the classes. Let the competitors decide. I have just had the best two weeks I have had for years. Great fun, great sport, much food and drink, meeting old friends and making new ones. Totally agree & I wish the constant whiners would just leave it up to the racers to decide if they wish to participate & from what I’ve heard they all wish to continue. Why do people think they can dictate to others that they must do what they consider is the best option? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 9 minutes ago, Banker said: Totally agree & I wish the constant whiners would just leave it up to the racers to decide if they wish to participate & from what I’ve heard they all wish to continue. Why do people think they can dictate to others that they must do what they consider is the best option? Maybe because it's their tax payments which are supporting the event? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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