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2 hours ago, Youaintseenme said:

I have, and do have many of my marshalling colleagues over the years.

We still turn out year on year.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make, but it’s flawed.

Not strictly true in that a few marshals , after witnessing the 2 fatals and a few big "offs" at Casey's /Black Hut decided that marshalling wasn't for them. One a marshal with over 30 years experience and who had witnessed fatals previously said 'he thought as he had got older he was perhaps more sentimental and that was why it had hit him harder.

2 hours ago, Happier diner said:

Seems the dangers of boxing, heading footballs and rugby head injuries has been the subject of much debate recently. All those sports are under pressure to make improvements.

For me, I don't see that with TT. I'm done with it for now. If they don't change something at Ago's before the next installment of the sidecar story, I'll be done with it for good or at least until they do.

Fair comment H d   ,I'm now "done" as the powers that be have refused to even discuss safety improvements @ Casey's and Black Hut ( 9 offs including multiple riders and  2 fatals) .

Sadly the marshals witnessing "offs" at the marshalling points do not take part in any investigation  , their views are regarded as irrelevant and if persistent are labelled a "troublemaker".

Just saying 

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5 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Plus of course you can’t just turn up at the bottom with your new walking boots and set off just like that. There’s all sorts of protocols to follow and monies to pay.
Anymore than you can just go to the starting line at the Grandstand with your motorcycle and say “can I go next please?”

 

The TT has been with us for about 115 years and the Course is created every year by our Government. Everest, by comparison has been here for several billions of years, before any Government could lay claim to it and any human being was around to think about climbing it. Apart from that, yes exactly the same 🙄

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32 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said:

In the event of a red flag they want ALL potential danger all around the circuit neutralising immediately so that all the attention can be focussed on the incident that caused the session to be stopped. They absolutely want to make sure that someone at racing speed ten miles further up the road doesn’t create another incident.

Highly visible light boards at regular intervals around the circuit make that possible.  One button push and the entire circuit is neutralised with no need for numerous radio messages so all the attention is on dealing with the incident.

There should be line-of-sight between all marshal's posts. There should not be any part of the course that is out of sight of a marshal's post. But this is TT.

The Clerk of the Course should be able to make a single radio message that is heard by all marshal's posts.

Because of the speed they travel, any rider will be no more than a few seconds away from a flag marshal's post.

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3 hours ago, Boris Johnson said:

I don't think you have ever witnessed a brutal blunt force trauma death, I have, Derek Flint has, Wrighty has - spot the common denominator....... none of us are exactly fans of the TT.

 

I have, and dealt with the aftermath on several occasions, in fact I survived a blunt force trauma accident myself, with a lot of help from Nobles, Broadgreen and the Royal Liverpool.

I would still take part in the TT if I could.

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4 minutes ago, HeliX said:

The next person to mention Everest is a big shit.

In the PBS video a few posts ago, as Hillary and Tensing arrive back at base camp the dark-haired fellow greeting them is, I think, Michael Ward, the expedition doctor (also a climber, but not one of the front-runners). After he retired he wrote a book about Everest that I think is very interesting. The leader of the expedition, John Hunt, early in the expedition moved Tensing from the sherpa team to the climbing team. Hunt arranged for two other climbers to try for the summit before Hillary/Tensing. They did not make it (they were using a different oxygen set to that used by Hillary and Tensing), but they did break tracks and set up a very high camp that Hillary and Tensing then used to make their attempt from. It seems that Hunt made the effort to give a local a chance to be the first to summit Everest.

 

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9 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

There should be line-of-sight between all marshal's posts. There should not be any part of the course that is out of sight of a marshal's post. But this is TT.

The Clerk of the Course should be able to make a single radio message that is heard by all marshal's posts.

Because of the speed they travel, any rider will be no more than a few seconds away from a flag marshal's post.

There pretty much is line of sight, there is a single radio message to call a red flag, the CoC presses a button also to activate the electronic red flag, not sure what you mean?

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There definitely needs to be an investigation of what happened at Ago's Leap, twice, and both times to sidecars.  As I have said before, perhaps sidecars are a bit irrelevant now in a road racing event as they are not usual road vehicles and certainly not in the form they are raced. 

I am not a bike fan, but I do like to see the island come alive during TT.  I also like that anywhere I have been, when you try to explain about the IOM, if you say 'TT'  most people immediately recognise it.  But I would like to be proud of it and not be embarrassed because it is viewed as a reckless and dangerous event. 

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2 minutes ago, Max Power said:

There pretty much is line of sight, there is a single radio message to call a red flag, the CoC presses a button also to activate the electronic red flag, not sure what you mean?

It seems to me that the single radio message to all marshals to put out the red flags is sufficient, and that the red lights are unnecessary and a possible source of technical problems.

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There seems to have always been a reluctance to engage in any course modifications other than those that will "increase the lap speed". I put that in commas because the reason that is always trotted out is efficiency and safety as public roads use (which may also be true).

There's been plenty of discussion (some cynical) on these boards before as to this, Windy Corner, Brandish, Quarry Bends to name the popular examples which all have been straightened/improved in the name of public roads use; even Governor's now has riders using the wider road to take a slightly faster line - but all these have had the effect of speeding up the TT course.

When, if ever, was there a public roads mod that would have had the effect of slowing a TT lap? Answer, never that I can think of? Any such suggestion would immediately be met with howls of outrage and objections to "altering the nature of the course". Yet modifications that increase its speed are welcomed and let in.

Now compare this approach with the NW200 which has had chicanes installed in areas now deemed too fast previously...and even the complete loss of some Irish road circuits because they are deemed to dangerous for the modern bikes and speeds.

My fear is that our dogma and blind pursuit of speed will be our undoing. The TT has been here for 115 years. Those pushing for a buck aren't here for that long at all and won't care after they've made that buck and moved on.

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11 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

It seems to me that the single radio message to all marshals to put out the red flags is sufficient, and that the red lights are unnecessary and a possible source of technical problems.

Ahh, they use both. The red flag is where riders pull in, if they stop immediately in a dangerous spot there may be a collision so they proceed slowly to the flag in the knowledge that the race is over.

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34 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

There should be line-of-sight between all marshal's posts. There should not be any part of the course that is out of sight of a marshal's post. But this is TT.

The Clerk of the Course should be able to make a single radio message that is heard by all marshal's posts.

Because of the speed they travel, any rider will be no more than a few seconds away from a flag marshal's post.

There is line of sight between all Marshall’s posts.

Whata re you on about?

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18 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

It seems to me that the single radio message to all marshals to put out the red flags is sufficient, and that the red lights are unnecessary and a possible source of technical problems.

You get both, so what’s the problem.

The red flag system we had for years is still there and is where they pull in but now with the addition of more digital boards that let riders know more quickly.

Are people just out looking for things to criticise without knowing what they are talking about?  That is what it seems like

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