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13 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

I may be missing something here but you seem to be suggesting that people should not do an activity when there is the potential for serious injury or fatality on the basis that it would certainly happen for someone. 

That just doesn't add up because even many day to day activities can result in possible serious injury or death including using a staircase, crossing a road, driving or being a passenger in a motor vehicle, hiking, playing football etc.

There are very few activities which do not carry am element of risk.  You seem very risk adverse which is fine, however, others aren't and that is okay too.

I am not risk averse. Where have you got that conclusion from?

All activities have risks. Some negligible, some moderate, some high, some extreme.  Racing TT would go into the highest possible category. It's not a view, its a fact.

I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to do high risk activities. What I am asking is that should those who do activities where the risk passes a certain threshold, is it right for society to have to pay the price and for other people to relegated down the order for their treatment? IMV the answer is no. 

In many countries for some sports you would have to take out extra insurance and the state would not fund anything other than immediate treatment. I believe an example is off piste skiing in US.  

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1 hour ago, Happier diner said:

MV the answer is no. 

 

Fair enough

IMV the answer is yes.

We treat rugby players, mountain bikers, absailers, costeerers, etc.

A builder doesn’t pay more for health care than an office bod because his risk is higher.  In the same way a smoker doesn’t pay more than a non smoker.

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57 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

I believe an example is off piste skiing in US.  

Surely any activity in the US is an example of somewhere the state won't take care of your medical needs...

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12 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said:

Fair enough

IMV the answer is yes.

We treat rugby players, mountain bikers, absailers, costeerers, etc.

A builder doesn’t pay more for health care than an office bod because his risk is higher.  In the same way a smoker doesn’t pay more than a non smoker.

Just to add.  If we start only funding health care for people who take low risks then all married men should have to pay for their future healthcare as they consciously decided to partake in a high risk activity with increased chances of heart attack, high blood pressure etc.

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8 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said:

Just to add.  If we start only funding health care for people who take low risks then all married men should have to pay for their future healthcare as they consciously decided to partake in a high risk activity with increased chances of heart attack, high blood pressure etc.

And married women, because most women who are murdered are murdered by their husband.

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I think what Happy Diner is saying, and what I meant by my original post questioning who pays for the treatment of crashes on the TT races is this ---

Why on earth should IOM Taxpayers and the UK taxpayer, be paying for the rebuilding of bones and the reconstruction of facial features at multi million pound cost, for people who choose to ride in an event that is promoted by the IOM government as a MONEY MAKING ENTERPRISE?

It is nothing like mountain bikers, nothing like like weekend rugby players and even Snaefell mountain climbers. 

They are hobbies, the TT and the MGP are now sold on the ticket of money making enterprise for the islands economy,

In fact the events are now touted as ESSENTIAL(see "007 Alf's" interview on MTV)  to the survival of the islands tourist economy,

So 5 dead this year seem not to matter.

Plenty more willing to die here for our IOM profit, good - oh!

That means lots more deaths to come next TT and even before then, don't forget the  MGP "wobbler/ newbie" deathfest for the OAPs and kids.........

That is why the treatment of body destroying injury and/ or disfigurement resulting from a "money making enterprise" event, should be paid for by the promoting body, in his case IOM gov AND NOT US TAXPAYERS HERE OR THE REST OF THE WORLD.

 

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11 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said:

I think what Happy Diner is saying, and what I meant by my original post questioning who pays for the treatment of crashes on the TT races is this ---

Why on earth should IOM Taxpayers and the UK taxpayer, be paying for the rebuilding of bones and the reconstruction of facial features at multi million pound cost, for people who choose to ride in an event that is promoted by the IOM government as a MONEY MAKING ENTERPRISE?

It is nothing like mountain bikers, nothing like like weekend rugby players and even Snaefell mountain climbers. 

They are hobbies, the TT and the MGP are now sold on the ticket of money making enterprise for the islands economy,

In fact the events are now touted as ESSENTIAL(see "007 Alf's" interview on MTV)  to the survival of the islands tourist economy,

So 5 dead this year seem not to matter.

Plenty more willing to die here for our IOM profit, good - oh!

That means lots more deaths to come next TT and even before then, don't forget the  MGP "wobbler/ newbie" deathfest for the OAPs and kids.........

That is why the treatment of body destroying injury and/ or disfigurement resulting from a "money making enterprise" event, should be paid for by the promoting body, in his case IOM gov AND NOT US TAXPAYERS HERE OR THE REST OF THE WORLD.

 

End 2 end mountain bike event is pitched as an attraction to bring visitors here by the government.

People are injured and die doing that as well.  Do you want that banned?

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Just now, Youaintseenme said:

End 2 end mountain bike event is pitched as an attraction to bring visitors here by the government.

People are injured and die doing that as well.  Do you want that banned?

It is not promoted as essential to our economy or even organised by the IOM government.

Big difference, Boy

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12 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said:

I think what Happy Diner is saying, and what I meant by my original post questioning who pays for the treatment of crashes on the TT races is this ---

Why on earth should IOM Taxpayers and the UK taxpayer, be paying for the rebuilding of bones and the reconstruction of facial features at multi million pound cost, for people who choose to ride in an event that is promoted by the IOM government as a MONEY MAKING ENTERPRISE?

It is nothing like mountain bikers, nothing like like weekend rugby players and even Snaefell mountain climbers. 

They are hobbies, the TT and the MGP are now sold on the ticket of money making enterprise for the islands economy,

In fact the events are now touted as ESSENTIAL(see "007 Alf's" interview on MTV)  to the survival of the islands tourist economy,

So 5 dead this year seem not to matter.

Plenty more willing to die here for our IOM profit, good - oh!

That means lots more deaths to come next TT and even before then, don't forget the  MGP "wobbler/ newbie" deathfest for the OAPs and kids.........

That is why the treatment of body destroying injury and/ or disfigurement resulting from a "money making enterprise" event, should be paid for by the promoting body, in his case IOM gov AND NOT US TAXPAYERS HERE OR THE REST OF THE WORLD.

 

The Scottish, Welsh, English promote going there for hiking, mountaineering, rock climbing, etc. etc. All activities where there are thousands of incidents every year, probably 10's or hundreds of injuries that need hospital treatment, many serious and life changing injuries and sadly many deaths. Because they promote us to go there to do that, should they pay if we get injured (They being the respective governments)..........?

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1 minute ago, Boris Johnson said:

It is not promoted as essential to our economy or even organised by the IOM government.

Big difference, Boy

Where is the TT promoted as being essential to our economy?

The E2E is an event that DFE encourage people to come and take part in and where people can be killed.

Your view that we shouldn’t pay for the treatment of TT riders as part of the RECIPROCAL health agreement puts you firmly in the minority.  If I go to the UK tomorrow downhill mountain biking and end up in hospital it is paid for.  What’s the issues?

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1 minute ago, Roxanne said:

Taken from this year’s official medical information.

For UK residents, if you require admission to the hospital, the cost is covered by the Reciprocal Health Agreement between the Isle of Man and the UK. However, the cost of repatriation to the UK (if required) may not be covered so you should ensure that you have insurance to cover that. For Non UK residents, the cost of hospital admissions is not covered so you need to ensure that you have appropriate insurance to cover any medical costs (including repatriation to your home country).

Can we stop whining about this one now? There’s a reciprocal agreement. Entrants are insured. 

That is well known

Is it moral that we have to pay, as part of our taxes and the UK taxpayers, for the disfigurement caused by a money making enterprise on the IOM? promoted by IOM government as money making?

Say.....If I setup a competition, of any type, that paid the winner money and caused death and destruction, and I was going to personally profit from the competition,

Would you think it okay that the persons injured were patched up via general taxpayers funds and I walked away with a HUGE hip full of cash?

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Just now, Boris Johnson said:

That is well known

Is it moral that we have to pay, as part of our taxes and the UK taxpayers, for the disfigurement caused by a money making enterprise on the IOM? promoted by IOM government as money making?

Say.....If I setup a competition, of any type, that paid the winner money and caused death and destruction, and I was going to personally profit from the competition,

Would you think it okay that the persons injured were patched up via general taxpayers funds and I walked away with a HUGE hip full of cash?

That sounds a bit like boxing.  Millions pay your watch it and the NHS picks up the pieces.

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