TT 2022 ??

[Twitch]

2 hours ago, Omobono said:

The scoreboard was rewired  1998 and fitted with yellowish energy saving bulbs , it could have lasted a few more years until a proper plan was in place for its replacement , given the race fields are now restricted to 60   it would not have taken much to re arrange  what was there and keep the best of it  for the future , 

big problem with some of the motorsport division , the TT history is not important    and the fact that the races have been run successfully for over 100 years if of no significance to them , same with the iconic Dunlop tower and the Stanley Woods clock that was all part of the scoreboard heritage   and apparently gone missing 

sadly the organisers appear to be philistines and were hell bent on removing the scoreboard , and the scouts involvement  that didn't fit the BSB  monster energy type image ,  where in contrast Wimbledon Lawn tennis club  have saved their scoreboards  as iconic  pieces of lawn tennis history , 

someone needs to ask the cost of the rewire !  and how much the scoreboards cost to remove ,  they were so well lut together it took 6 weeks to take them down , destroying a piece of TT heritage for ever !

 

Didn't Wimbledon replace with hi-tech digital screens with display based on the way scores had been presented before? Perhaps the old wooden scoreboard could have been put behind the grandstand somewhere. I don't get the rationale for spending a seven figure sum on something that is viewed by around 1000 people at most sitting in the grandstand. Rent one as most people use the app now anyway.

[2112]

More handwringing from Minister Hooperman as reported this morning on the NPM. Now isn’t the time to spend a seven figure sum on the new scoreboard for the TT. So why was the old one removed and the vast majority of it (probably destroyed), maybe put into storage, with a portion being given to MNH to recycle at every opportunity at its ‘new’ TT exhibition? If Hooperman is quoting a ‘seven figure sum’ it’s likely to cost £1million+, have any quotations been provided? I would suggest that the quote provided will greatly increase come 2024, or 2025 due to material and components price increases. Also you have to add in the Manx IOMG pet contractors preferential rates, and which favoured one will want to do the work. Factor in any repairs for shoddy workmanship. 

Also with all this environmental eco crap endlessly rammed down the GMP throats, it’s vital that IOMG practices what it’s preaching. So perhaps it’s time that portion of the TT scoreboard ‘gifted’ to MNH is ‘returned to be incorporated into a new slim down MDF cheap as chips, handcrafted by IOMG apprentices. Surely this could be done on the cheap?

It shows the pomposity of our unelected civil servants, and pathetic politicos, running rampant with taxpayers money. Rob Callister surely thought the new TT scoreboard was a given, the Starship Enterprise would get what it wanted, a no questions asked, money can’t buy, break the bank carbon emitting electronic scoreboard? Not very politically astute or wise with taxpayers cash I’m afraid.

Perhaps an Auditor General will get to the bottom of this tawdry affair, both in terms of money spent so far, with nothing to show?

Edited November 2, 2022 by 2112

[BriT]

17 hours ago, Asthehills said:

If people booked based on previous years knowing that they were two years into a plan to amend the schedule when nothing was confirmed then surely that is their lookout?  The article below was published on Senior Race day 2021.  They literally announced the planned changes to next years schedule a full two years in advance.  I am not sure what else they could have done?

https://www.iomttraces.com/latest/news/more-racing-coming-for-2023-jun21/

Yea best not to book at all and then wait and see how it levels out in a few years. A great tourist strategy. 

[Asthehills]

1 hour ago, BriT said:

Yea best not to book at all and then wait and see how it levels out in a few years. A great tourist strategy. 

Or book based on the dates which had been proposed  at the end of the 2021 event.

I am not aware of anything, anywhere in writing suggesting that the old program would apply in 2023.

[Itsmeee]

On 11/1/2022 at 4:42 PM, Omobono said:

The scoreboard was rewired  1998 and fitted with yellowish energy saving bulbs , it could have lasted a few more years until a proper plan was in place for its replacement , given the race fields are now restricted to 60   it would not have taken much to re arrange  what was there and keep the best of it  for the future , 

big problem with some of the motorsport division , the TT history is not important    and the fact that the races have been run successfully for over 100 years if of no significance to them , same with the iconic Dunlop tower and the Stanley Woods clock that was all part of the scoreboard heritage   and apparently gone missing 

sadly the organisers appear to be philistines and were hell bent on removing the scoreboard , and the scouts involvement  that didn't fit the BSB  monster energy type image ,  where in contrast Wimbledon Lawn tennis club  have saved their scoreboards  as iconic  pieces of lawn tennis history , 

someone needs to ask the cost of the rewire !  and how much the scoreboards cost to remove ,  they were so well lut together it took 6 weeks to take them down , destroying a piece of TT heritage for ever !

 

You know that the scoreboard removed recently wasn’t the original scoreboard, wasn’t 100+ years old and wasn’t always even in that location? And it hasn’t been destroyed forever. Large parts of it have gone to the Manx Museum and will be displayed in the new TT/Motorsport Gallery when it opens. 
 

The scoreboard was not there to provide an activity for the scouts. 
 

Should riders also be wearing flat caps or cork helmets and plus fours, riding 100 year old bikes and opening gates on the road as they go round the course too? Motorsport moves on. Maybe the moaners should too. 

Edited November 2, 2022 by Itsmeee

[HiVibes]

6 minutes ago, Itsmeee said:

Should riders also be wearing flat caps or cork helmets and plus fours, riding 100 year old bikes and opening gates on the road as they go round the course too?

Yeah, they should, sounds a much better event.

[2112]

2 hours ago, Itsmeee said:

You know that the scoreboard removed recently wasn’t the original scoreboard, wasn’t 100+ years old and wasn’t always even in that location? And it hasn’t been destroyed forever. Large parts of it have gone to the Manx Museum and will be displayed in the new TT/Motorsport Gallery when it opens. 
 

The scoreboard was not there to provide an activity for the scouts. 
 

Should riders also be wearing flat caps or cork helmets and plus fours, riding 100 year old bikes and opening gates on the road as they go round the course too? Motorsport moves on. Maybe the moaners should too. 

My argument is the scoreboard wasn’t broke therefore didn’t need fixing. If IOMG had taken care, maintained it, maybe it could have lasted. Manx National Heritage wanted part of the scoreboard for their main feature of the TT Museum feature. This in itself was a political decision, and an obsession with politicos for all things TT. Rob Callister, then TT Supremo at Starship Enterprise must have genuinely thought that funding would be automatically granted, hence the indecent haste to demolish the scoreboard.
 

From the usual IOMG projects which run over budget and over time, this scoreboard will probably be delivered late, and like the NSC flumes, the scoreboard will either need repairs, or the supplier/manufacturer will go bust. 

With that seven figure sum plus, that could help alleviate some of our (proper genuine) poorest members of society. I can’t see what real benefits a new TT scoreboard is going to have. Is it going to produce an income?

[finlo]

8 hours ago, Asthehills said:

Or book based on the dates which had been proposed  at the end of the 2021 event.

I am not aware of anything, anywhere in writing suggesting that the old program would apply in 2023.

There was a 2021 event?

[Asthehills]

4 minutes ago, finlo said:

There was a 2021 event?

Fair cop.  On the day that would have been the end of the 2021 event had it gone ahead.

Makes no difference to anything, but well spotted.  People still had loads of notice.

[Asthehills]

2 hours ago, Itsmeee said:

You know that the scoreboard removed recently wasn’t the original scoreboard, wasn’t 100+ years old and wasn’t always even in that location? And it hasn’t been destroyed forever. Large parts of it have gone to the Manx Museum and will be displayed in the new TT/Motorsport Gallery when it opens. 
 

The scoreboard was not there to provide an activity for the scouts. 
 

Should riders also be wearing flat caps or cork helmets and plus fours, riding 100 year old bikes and opening gates on the road as they go round the course too? Motorsport moves on. Maybe the moaners should too. 

Exactly.  It wasn’t that old.  Wasn’t very good. Wasn’t needed anymore and if people are really that arsed is still partly available to view at the museum and Victory Cafe

[Whiskey]

6 minutes ago, Asthehills said:

Fair cop.  On the day that would have been the end of the 2021 event had it gone ahead.

Makes no difference to anything, but well spotted.  People still had loads of notice.

It was the first one back since covid though? People would have still been on their 2020 bookings. I can’t see the accommodation people changing those for them. 

[Asthehills]

1 minute ago, Whiskey said:

It was the first one back since covid though? People would have still been on their 2020 bookings. I can’t see the accommodation people changing those for them. 

What?  The first one back since COVID has been and gone.  We are talking about the next one, in 2023, the dates for which were known two full years before the event.

[Whiskey]

3 minutes ago, Asthehills said:

What?  The first one back since COVID has been and gone.  We are talking about the next one, in 2023, the dates for which were known two full years before the event.

I thought you meant this year’s schedule. I think I’m confusing it with the shit show of the MGP. 

Edited November 2, 2022 by Whiskey

[Twitch]

4 minutes ago, Asthehills said:

What?  The first one back since COVID has been and gone.  We are talking about the next one, in 2023, the dates for which were known two full years before the event.

Apologies if this aspect was covered earlier but I think some people's discontent was around why go out to consultation then? Yes the dates were announced ages ago, but going out to consultation inserts potential that the schedule could then change depending on the responses given.

[2112]

The NPM this morning interviews a MGP team member/mechanic, who calls the 2022 changes to the practice/race schedule ‘a catalogue of errors’, and thinks this will impact on rider and fan attendance. Having listened to the interview, it’s not going to be pleasant for Minister Hooperman or his flunkies in the Starship Enterprise. The interviewee makes various valid points and comparisons made between previous MGP/Festival of Motorcycling and the new format.