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Don’t get me wrong Derek. I see lots of some aspects of Police work. Don’t envy anyone in the job.  Three things. My personal views. 1. No-one should be allowed to retire from public service

Yes yes, that’s exactly what it was.    (it wasn’t). 

Let's face it, the last few governments have brought our beautiful home down to close to rock bottom and still they spend OUR cash on vanity projects, massive overburden of govt. and CS  for what is a

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16 minutes ago, Augustus said:

Well, you're the ex-cop going on and on about it. The least you could do is get it right.

Lol...ex cop? Righto. Back to detective school for you, methinks. Not denying those things have occurred though? Way to try and obscure the truth. I’ve had bad dealings with cops, yes, but work closely with (not for) the DOI, not DHA. Why does it matter which department? Which do you work in?

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2 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Always better to stick with what the WHO and the JVCI recommend then there are no arguments.

I think the JVCI recommendation myth was blown out of the water at the last Tynwald.

And the Statement Mr Creegen is working on at the moment is Mr Callister resignation, so please have faith.

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52 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

I'm not fixated on anything really.  I know the FCU is a comfy chair to move to, as you do too.   

Aside of that, what other areas are they moving to?  Examples?

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1 hour ago, John Wright said:

Not specifically, no. All sorts of roles that have been trained for within the force and then civilianised.

The structure of retirement and pension age needs to be revisited. There are many non front line and administrative and technical jobs that older personnel could continue to be employed to deliver, whilst contributing to the pension scheme, reducing draw down etc.

It’s happening wholesale in the UK. Much more flexibility and at last innovation. That said, I’m still a bit dismayed at some of the places money is being spent. 

1 hour ago, The Duck of Atholl said:

I’d be curious to know the percentage figure for officers retiring “sick” on 26 years which enables them then to draw a full pension. I think this disincentivises officers from doing their full 30 and encourages them to look for an out

We are a relatively rare breed to be honest. I’m actually struggling to think of the last one, other than myself, who went in that window. Most other Ill health retirements have been much younger in service. 

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1 hour ago, Derek Flint said:

It’s happening wholesale in the UK. Much more flexibility and at last innovation. That said, I’m still a bit dismayed at some of the places money is being spent. 

We are a relatively rare breed to be honest. I’m actually struggling to think of the last one, other than myself, who went in that window. Most other Ill health retirements have been much younger in service. 

Don’t get me wrong Derek. I see lots of some aspects of Police work. Don’t envy anyone in the job. 

Three things. My personal views.

1. No-one should be allowed to retire from public service, receive lump sum and pension and then be re-employed in the public service.

2. The force has many more at senior, even sergeant, numbers than it did. Yes, population has increased as have specialisms. But overall size and especially higher ranks and civilian support have increased disproportionally. It’s double the size it was 40 years ago. It was accepted then that it was disproportionally over staffed because of the huge increase in summer population due to visitor numbers, which have now substantially decreased.

3. number 1. can be resolved by having a common public service retirement age of 67. Retain expertise. Utilise it. Divert older personnel from front line to support/admin/specialisms/supervisory roles.

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2 hours ago, manxst said:

Does it matter?

Yes it does actually. Your use of FCU indicates that you're out of touch. FCU (or Financial Crime Unit) was disbanded in 2016. It was replaced by the FIU (Financial Intelligence Unit) when the 2016 FIU Act was given royal asset. https://www.fiu.im/ 

Officers working at FCU were absorbed back into the Police force where a new Economic Crime Unit (ECU) was formed https://www.iompolice.im/footer/corporate/economic-crime-unit/

There are retired police officers in both set ups and all roles were publicly advertised.

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11 minutes ago, piebaps said:

Yes it does actually. Your use of FCU indicates that you're out of touch. FCU (or Financial Crime Unit) was disbanded in 2016. It was replaced by the FIU (Financial Intelligence Unit) when the 2016 FIU Act was given royal asset. https://www.fiu.im/ 

Officers working at FCU were absorbed back into the Police force where a new Economic Crime Unit (ECU) was formed https://www.iompolice.im/footer/corporate/economic-crime-unit/

There are retired police officers in both set ups and all roles were publicly advertised.

John makes a fair point about the double dipping aspect though.

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15 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Hey, how have you got that link to work? They normally don't.

Depending on the limits placed, I think they're limited to how long they will work for or the number of times they can be used.

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28 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Hey, how have you got that link to work? They normally don't.

I copy the link in an e-mail to myself and then cut and paste. Seems to give longest.

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23 hours ago, manxst said:

I’m presuming the 50 officers down aren’t necessarily isolating because they or close family have the virus, but because they fulfil specific functions and can’t risk catching the virus in case they are needed. I’m sure they could work if required. Also, they won’t be the big standard ‘response/patrol’ officers, so your garage and car will be as safe as usual. 

They need to bring in emergency powered before this gets out of hand. 

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54 minutes ago, buncha wankas said:

They need to bring in emergency powered before this gets out of hand. 

what emergency powers are going to alter this?

martial law?

get the home guard into action?

form a junta?

the police are stretched but also should have less to do than ever at peak pressure points because there's no pubs open so if the vast majority of society just calms its tits and keep our head down we should be able to get through this

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