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People's behaviour is readily modified by the environment around them. Advertising wouldn't be a trillion dollar business were that not the case.

Normalising objectifying women, degrading/violent pornography, de-valueing women as people etc does not turn "normal" people into sexual abusers, but they almost certainly embolden people who are prone to becoming abusers. So maybe we should stop doing that.

 

Nobody is suggesting that all men are rapists, by the way.*

 

*Yes you'll be able to find a post from some fringe lunatic on Twitter claiming that, and no I won't accept it as a counterpoint.

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Men are not the problem. Abusers, rapists and those that sexually harass are the problem. The fact that the majority of these are men, does not make men the problem per se. If that were true, all men

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1 minute ago, HeliX said:

People's behaviour is readily modified by the environment around them. Advertising wouldn't be a trillion dollar business were that not the case.

Normalising objectifying women, degrading/violent pornography, de-valueing women as people etc does not turn "normal" people into sexual abusers, but they almost certainly embolden people who are prone to becoming abusers. So maybe we should stop doing that.

 

Nobody is suggesting that all men are rapists, by the way.*

 

*Yes you'll be able to find a post from some fringe lunatic on Twitter claiming that, and no I won't accept it as a counterpoint.

A lot of women encourage the objectified behaviour themselves.   Take a look at Instagram and Twitter etc.

 

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3 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

A lot of women encourage the objectified behaviour themselves.   Take a look at Instagram and Twitter etc.

 

"Asking for it..."

People like you are part of the problem.

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Just now, TerryFuchwit said:

A lot of women encourage the objectified behaviour themselves.   Take a look at Instagram and Twitter etc.

 

Instagram and Twitter is full of buff men posting pictures of themselves with naff all on, nobody* objectifies them.

Also women should be able to do whatever they like with their own image without being at an increased threat of sexual violence as a result, yeah?

 

*same caveat applies

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5 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Instagram and Twitter is full of buff men posting pictures of themselves with naff all on, nobody* objectifies them.

Also women should be able to do whatever they like with their own image without being at an increased threat of sexual violence as a result, yeah?

 

*same caveat applies

I agree 100% it shouldn't lead to violence but it remains a fact that some women are very happy to put themselves up to be objectified.

Only Fans is a good example ,- women on there are basically selling exactly that.

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3 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

"Asking for it..."

People like you are the problem.

It's hard to have a discussion about objectifying women is you can't admit they are also partly complicit in that in some cases.

Also, I wouldn't judge everyone by the mentality you've just displayed.  

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4 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

I agree 100% it shouldn't lead to violence but it remains a fact that some women are very happy to put themselves up to be objectified.

Only Fans is a good example ,- women on there are basically selling exactly that.

Sex work is real work. Pornography/sex are not inseparably linked to objectification in the way you seem to be implying. It's only objectification really if it involves dehumanising the person, or reducing their value simply to that of sex.

I think OnlyFans is a good thing really. It lets women make money from their bodies solely on their own terms, unlike "traditional" pornography or sex work.

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1 minute ago, HeliX said:

Sex work is real work. Pornography/sex are not inseparably linked to objectification in the way you seem to be implying. It's only objectification really if it involves dehumanising the person, or reducing their value simply to that of sex.

I think OnlyFans is a good thing really. It lets women make money from their bodies solely on their own terms, unlike "traditional" pornography or sex work.

I dont think we have a society full of men hell bent on raping or dehumanising women.

So,, as usual, we end up in this situation we find ourselves in so often these days.  Be that about race, sexuality whatever.

Which is an enormous over the top reaction  about what amounts to a very very small proportion of the population.

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20 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

I dont think we have a society full of men hell bent on raping or dehumanising women.

So,, as usual, we end up in this situation we find ourselves in so often these days.  Be that about race, sexuality whatever.

Which is an enormous over the top reaction  about what amounts to a very very small proportion of the population.

Neither do I, but I think the society we have has contributed significantly to the number of men who become sexual aggressors. As usual a large portion of the culpability lies with the media (likely male-controlled media!) who have spent the last century telling us that women are less valuable as human beings than men, and need to have a husband and kids to have any real meaning at all. Nobody should really be surprised that there are a number of men who take this view to heart and couldn't give a toss about women or their wellbeing.

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18 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Lots of footage of police being violent during BLM protests!

Lots of footage of them running away and not responding to violence, standing by as protesters damage property too. I didn't see any real attempts to move people on, let alone do anything violent, they weren't dressed for riots.  

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I think a lot needs to be done in every area, sport, fashion, and t.v, and this so called celebrity driven rubbish we see thrown at us from all angles, and get the courts to really drive the the reality home with some knuckle hitting sentences. 

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14 minutes ago, Billy kettlefish said:

I think a lot needs to be done in every area, sport, fashion, and t.v, and this so called celebrity driven rubbish we see thrown at us from all angles, and get the courts to really drive the the reality home with some knuckle hitting sentences. 

What is a “knuckle hitting sentence”?

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