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11 hours ago, Gladys said:

Only in Cambridge.

Where Airbuses morph into Boeings. (The Airbus used for the flying scenes becomes a B737 on landing)

Avgeek time: The aircraft used in that ad belong to Titan Airways - their callsign is ZAP - a nod of the head to Frank Zappa by the owner of the company, Gene Wilson.

The big orange disc on the tail of some of their aircraft is supposed to represent Titan, one of Saturn’s moons, although the company got it’s name from the first type of aircraft it operated - the Cessna 404 Titan.

There is no controlling going on in the EE ad, only communications between the handling agent on an operations frequency and the aircraft in question.

Remote controlling happens at Doncaster/Sheffield airport where the approach function is carried out by staff at Liverpool, and at London City, where I think all of the ATC functions are done remotely.

Personally, I’d much rather have qualified controllers in the tower here than in an office hundreds of miles away. The interaction between local pilots and ATC crew has significant benefits, and the opportunity to discuss matters face to face is always available should the need arise.

It may save a few quid, but at what cost.

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50 minutes ago, madmanxpilot said:

Where Airbuses morph into Boeings. (The Airbus used for the flying scenes becomes a B737 on landing)

Avgeek time: The aircraft used in that ad belong to Titan Airways - their callsign is ZAP - a nod of the head to Frank Zappa by the owner of the company, Gene Wilson.

The big orange disc on the tail of some of their aircraft is supposed to represent Titan, one of Saturn’s moons, although the company got it’s name from the first type of aircraft it operated - the Cessna 404 Titan.

There is no controlling going on in the EE ad, only communications between the handling agent on an operations frequency and the aircraft in question.

Remote controlling happens at Doncaster/Sheffield airport where the approach function is carried out by staff at Liverpool, and at London City, where I think all of the ATC functions are done remotely.

Personally, I’d much rather have qualified controllers in the tower here than in an office hundreds of miles away. The interaction between local pilots and ATC crew has significant benefits, and the opportunity to discuss matters face to face is always available should the need arise.

It may save a few quid, but at what cost.

Quite right MMP, I have often wondered about whether it's worth a complaint to the advertising standards authority about the intended deception in that hackish ad....

Further to the comments you've made about local interaction, I'd add to that knowledge of the area; there are many intricacies of the areas surrounding Ronaldsway that are not immediately obvious which would not be appreciated by someone in a box in Liverpool or Prestwick or wherever. 
That's even before the problem you'd have in the event of equipment failure and a need to revert to on-site ops. Oops sorry we can't get someone over to open the tower as the airports closed! 
Last one on that subject - spider walks  across the camera lens, no such problem looking out of a window!

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1 hour ago, gerremonside said:

Quite right MMP, I have often wondered about whether it's worth a complaint to the advertising standards authority about the intended deception in that hackish ad....

Further to the comments you've made about local interaction, I'd add to that knowledge of the area; there are many intricacies of the areas surrounding Ronaldsway that are not immediately obvious which would not be appreciated by someone in a box in Liverpool or Prestwick or wherever. 
That's even before the problem you'd have in the event of equipment failure and a need to revert to on-site ops. Oops sorry we can't get someone over to open the tower as the airports closed! 
Last one on that subject - spider walks  across the camera lens, no such problem looking out of a window!

Indeed - and even though it may be a slight cost saving to go remote, having all of those not insignificant salaries spent in the local economy would likely far outweigh the saving.

I can’t remember the exact value that was put on it, but locally earned money that is then spent locally has a much greater benefit to our economy than that spent elsewhere.

 

 

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Local ATC every time, personable, locally  knowledgeable, clear communication and most importantly can appreciate what the pilot is seeing ! We have good girls and guys, just not enough of them !

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23 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

The ‘couldn’t give a shit’ attitude continues

https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/business/ronaldsway-second-worst-for-flight-cancellations-553281

Those 500,000 visitors are rapidly evaporating into thin air. If only anyone did give a shit and do something about it. But it seems too hard. 

Yes this is a total disgrace. And being an island it is more critical that it is connected any cancellations have a far greater effect . The IOMG should be working with the airlines and holding them to account both EasyJet and Loganair have a lot to answer for . 

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36 minutes ago, IOM said:

Yes this is a total disgrace. And being an island it is more critical that it is connected any cancellations have a far greater effect . The IOMG should be working with the airlines and holding them to account both EasyJet and Loganair have a lot to answer for . 

But then let’s not forget every cancelled flight is an emergency SPC ticket bought at a premium last minute rate. We could be dealing with civil servants logic here. 

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33 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

But then let’s not forget every cancelled flight is an emergency SPC ticket bought at a premium last minute rate. We could be dealing with civil servants logic here. 

The Manx air definitely in full swing there OMM!! 😂

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36 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

Lets wait and see the SPC figures for this summer. My bet is that they are the substantial benefactor of our Reynolds appalling attempt to manage an airport. 

Fixed for you 

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https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/more-than-90-using-app-at-airport-car-park-552549

 

More than 90% of people who have used the car park at the airport have used the new app.

 

A total of 1,536 people have paid for parking since the system was introduced on May 24.

 

Of those, 92% have used the RingGo app to pay, with the other methods accounting for the remaining 8%, according to the Department of Infrastructure.

 
 
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18 hours ago, IOM said:

Yes this is a total disgrace. And being an island it is more critical that it is connected any cancellations have a far greater effect . The IOMG should be working with the airlines and holding them to account both EasyJet and Loganair have a lot to answer for . 

You can't "hold to account" two private sector carriers operating under the open skies policy. They will come and go as they please according to the market and their own operational needs, as we are seeing.

The only exception to this depends on what and the size of the Govt subsidy being paid to Loganair; are they giving a reasonable return for what they are receiving?

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5 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

You can't "hold to account" two private sector carriers operating under the open skies policy. They will come and go as they please according to the market and their own operational needs, as we are seeing.

The only exception to this depends on what and the size of the Govt subsidy being paid to Loganair; are they giving a reasonable return for what they are receiving?

From speaking to a Loganair captain there are lots of issues all over, which cause knock on effects here, it is not just Ronaldsway that has problems. Invariably if a flight has to cancel because of tech delay or any other issue, which then brings into play ATC issues it is not truly fair to blame Loganair. Just FWIW.

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1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

You can't "hold to account" two private sector carriers operating under the open skies policy. They will come and go as they please according to the market and their own operational needs, as we are seeing.

The only exception to this depends on what and the size of the Govt subsidy being paid to Loganair; are they giving a reasonable return for what they are receiving?

The government should be meeting the airlines regularly and ensuring they honour their commitments . It is one of the jobs of the airport director to maintain close working relationships with them . And as you say where they have specific government funding ( patient transfers etc ) then government absolutely should hold them to account . 

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