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6 hours ago, 0bserver said:

Peel Group offered to build a terminal, at their own cost,  about half a mile further up the river - but this wasn't good enough for the politicos,

I was under the impression that the free build option had been withdrawn. But you are saying that it was a DOI  decision to spend £70,000,000 rather than have a 10 minutes extra walk. If that is true it is the most scandalous thing the DOI. Is accused of. It makes the horror of the prom look pretty minor. As it does with the Airport parking where they chose to replace a system that was producing an income of £600,000 pa with a system that I suspect only produces a fraction of that. What is the matter with these people.? 

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4 minutes ago, emesde said:

I was under the impression that the free build option had been withdrawn. But you are saying that it was a DOI  decision to spend £70,000,000 rather than have a 10 minutes extra walk. If that is true it is the most scandalous thing the DOI. Is accused of. It makes the horror of the prom look pretty minor. As it does with the Airport parking where they chose to replace a system that was producing an income of £600,000 pa with a system that I suspect only produces a fraction of that. What is the matter with these people.? 

My understanding is the offer was only withdrawn after DOI/IOMG said it was unsuitable and they would do their own thing. 

Near Kings Parade/Mariners Wharf/Queens Dock if I remember correctly. 

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1 minute ago, 0bserver said:

My understanding is the offer was only withdrawn after DOI/IOMG said it was unsuitable and they would do their own thing. 

That's aweful, but seems quite in keeping with a department that seems to have no concerns about spending money with no regard to value or need. If that was all true I would like to see the money with held from a lot of pension pots and early retirement pay offs. Disgusting.! 

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3 minutes ago, NoTailT said:

What concerns me is why people act surprised that the DOI does things that it does, as it has done for a long time.

Like the Cabbage engine. They were offered an 'off the shelf' engine but decided it was too expensive so ordered the cabbage and it's cost 3 times the other option. 

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Strange to think that the DOI has only been in existence for about 10 years. It used to be department of transport or something similar and got such a bad reputation that the name was changed so that annual departmental comparisons couldn't be made. It seems that a lot of self seeking high flyers made it the most desirable dept to be in. 😕 

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19 minutes ago, emesde said:

Strange to think that the DOI has only been in existence for about 10 years. It used to be department of transport or something similar and got such a bad reputation that the name was changed so that annual departmental comparisons couldn't be made. It seems that a lot of self seeking high flyers made it the most desirable dept to be in. 😕 

It was created by Tony Brown as part of the post-VAT cut reshuffle. It absorbed the old DoT (as you suggest), the bus and rail network, parts of the old DOLGE to include housing administration and and a whole plethora of functions from other Depts too. It would be fair to say that it has expanded since then as well.

A complete clusterfuck of incompetence and unaccountability that has been described in Tynwald as being utterly dysfunctional.

Its performance in a number of high profile projects and the recent departure of a number of its senior staff would suggest that is an accurate description.

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12 hours ago, 0bserver said:

You couldn't be more wrong really. The new ship was needed anyway whether owned by IOMG or the vulture capitalists at Banco Espírito and Macquarie.

The IOMSPC wasn't consulted over the new Liverpool Terminal - that was entirely down to DOI who thought they knew best. Peel Group offered to build a terminal, at their own cost,  about half a mile further up the river - but this wasn't good enough for the politicos, crayonistas and assorted chinless wonders within DOI. So I'm not sure how you're laying that one on the IOMSPC? 

If anything IOMSPC is, for now, the only Government-owned enterprise that is actually making a profit (covid period excepted) and relatively well run. 

Sadly the steam packed has made a loss for the last few years ,  things have improved ,mainly because of the shambles at the airport , and when people travel  they require certainty  which the Steam packet actually brings , even if you have to catch a train or  long distance bus for your onward journey , but balance that against the increased fuel costs and I think the packet are struggling , particularly with the Sea Cat which must be loosing them money , I wouldn't be surprised  to see a change in the user agreement  to dispose of the fast craft , they have gone everywhere else on the Irish sea routes ,

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22 minutes ago, Omobono said:

Sadly the steam packed has made a loss for the last few years ,  things have improved ,mainly because of the shambles at the airport , and when people travel  they require certainty  which the Steam packet actually brings , even if you have to catch a train or  long distance bus for your onward journey , but balance that against the increased fuel costs and I think the packet are struggling , particularly with the Sea Cat which must be loosing them money , I wouldn't be surprised  to see a change in the user agreement  to dispose of the fast craft , they have gone everywhere else on the Irish sea routes ,

My understanding was the fast craft gets replaced by another Manxman type ferry in the medium term. The costly design work has been done now so if it actually turns out alright (which it seems like it will) then building another one makes some sense. 

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but where does that leave liverpool  when there is no freight and the last sailing is before 9-45pm  and steam packet management confirmed  there was no dialogue or consultation  between the government and themselves  regarding the future facilities and berthing arrangements  in Liverpool , the present Chairman  is on record  as being very peeved about the situation . you  couldn't write  the script for this comedy of errors . ! Typical DOI and we are the experts !

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7 hours ago, Omobono said:

Sadly the steam packed has made a loss for the last few years ,  things have improved ,mainly because of the shambles at the airport , and when people travel  they require certainty  which the Steam packet actually brings , even if you have to catch a train or  long distance bus for your onward journey , but balance that against the increased fuel costs and I think the packet are struggling , particularly with the Sea Cat which must be loosing them money , I wouldn't be surprised  to see a change in the user agreement  to dispose of the fast craft , they have gone everywhere else on the Irish sea routes ,

We know it made good profits in every year up to and including 2019-20. We know it made a technical loss in 20/21 ( the loss was after applying, and less than, depreciation ). We don’t know about 21/22 as the accounts haven’t been published, yet. As travel normalised last year, and freight continued unabated, I’d expect 21/22 to be better than 20/21.

Does the current agreement, the one entered into after the share purchase,  require use of a fast craft?

As freight rates have been increased we don’t know what effect fuel price rises will have on bottom line.

Have you any actual evidence of a struggle?

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9 hours ago, 0bserver said:

My understanding was the fast craft gets replaced by another Manxman type ferry in the medium term. The costly design work has been done now so if it actually turns out alright (which it seems like it will) then building another one makes some sense. 

That’s not what the plan as published is. They’ve got it pencilled in to replace Mannanan with another fast craft in 2027ish. 

I agree a second Manxman class would make more sense.

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Sitting in departures, en route to Gatwick. Should have been airborne by now. The inbound EZY was 90 mins late departing Gatwick.

That'll have an impact on all its rotations today.

Which is why the late evening slots are a problem.

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