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3 minutes ago, snowman said:

easyjet LPL just landed

easyjet BFS due in about 5 minutes

Only 3 to 4 hours behind schedule. Like I said I doubt those people that were sat around for such a long time thought it was stupid . Take a look at the Loganair arrival times and compare . The facts are the facts .  

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59 minutes ago, IOM said:

I doubt those people that are delayed in Liverpool, Bristol or Belfast think it’s stupid. And those on EasyJet from Liverpool are still there while Loganair passengers are on there way back to the island ! The facts show that local island based operators are more reliable in bad weather you might want to check it out !  

Actually those from Liverpool arrived just two minutes late, I suspect the Bristol passengers may have been with them:

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Weather can affect all sorts of flights, but the price you pay for sub-£50 return fares is tighter schedules and so things more likely to go wrong.

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Quite a mental post really. Easyjet don't want their aircraft stuck circling for hours burning thousands of pounds of fuel. We circled the Island for about half an hour and we could see the fog was bad. If they could land then they would. Obviously their limits don't allow them to. If they did attempt to land and ended up crashing then I'm sure the questions would be asked why they attempted in the first place.

Diverting us to Liverpool instead of Bristol kept the window open for the weather to improve (as per forecast). It didn't look it was going to which is why we were going back to Bristol. Now that the weather has we are going to the IOM again which have saved probably circa 300 people inconvenience on both the inbound and outbound flights, as well as hotels and rearranged flights tomorrow.

Don't know what else they are supposed to do.

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3 minutes ago, swoopy2110 said:

Quite a mental post really. Easyjet don't want their aircraft stuck circling for hours burning thousands of pounds of fuel. We circled the Island for about half an hour and we could see the fog was bad. If they could land then they would. Obviously their limits don't allow them to. If they did attempt to land and ended up crashing then I'm sure the questions would be asked why they attempted in the first place.

Diverting us to Liverpool instead of Bristol kept the window open for the weather to improve (as per forecast). It didn't look it was going to which is why we were going back to Bristol. Now that the weather has we are going to the IOM again which have saved probably circa 300 people inconvenience on both the inbound and outbound flights, as well as hotels and rearranged flights tomorrow.

Don't know what else they are supposed to do.

Oh dear oh dear some people just don’t think about these things do they . For a start the Liverpool flight was originally due in at 17.15 it was obviously rearranged for 20.45 due to the bad weather so by my reckoning it’s late by 3.5 hours . Secondly I am not criticising EasyJet for diverting of course passenger safety is a priority and they did the right thing . But if you look all the Loganair flights managed to keep to schedule and the reason is they are smaller planes which can operate in more limited circumstances and safely . My point is the Isle of Man needs reliable services given it’s an island with very few alternative travel options and like it or not they find it harder to get in and out of Ronaldsway in bad weather . It’s a simple fact . 

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3 minutes ago, snowman said:

BRS is indeed on the way now and in the air, not delayed overnight 

Good to see but Loganair Manchester earlier on was 3 minutes late Loganair Liverpool 23 minutes late . Like I said I agree EasyJet did the right thing but the smaller local operated planes can often provide a more reliable service in bad weather . 

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3 minutes ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

But Lpl is 

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4 minutes ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

But Lpl is 

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That tracker is wrong. That relates to the potential delay of the Bristol flight which is now superceded. 

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4 minutes ago, NoTailT said:

Who is covering the extended airport opening fees? The overtime for airport staff and Menzies?

Some would argue that these are costs airlines wouldn't have to incur should the airport be invested, properly.

They always used to be paid for by the airline involved - it was still a lot cheaper than having to put passengers up for the night with all the associated costs (not just accommodation) and having to find space for them the next day or disrupt schedules.

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3 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

They always used to be paid for by the airline involved - it was still a lot cheaper than having to put passengers up for the night with all the associated costs (not just accommodation) and having to find space for them the next day or disrupt schedules.

Fees are here

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38 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

They always used to be paid for by the airline involved - it was still a lot cheaper than having to put passengers up for the night with all the associated costs (not just accommodation) and having to find space for them the next day or disrupt schedules.

Agree its cheaper. Point is, it's completely avoidable with the correct investment and likely a cost factor that's a deterrent to other airlines.

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BRS outbound was cancelled again. No idea why as we got in fine ! Did notice getting off that there was no one sat in the holding pen downstairs which thought was weird.

EZY will be delighted their AC is stuck here overnight now. The rescue flight isn't due to leave until 1pm back to Bristol tomorrow now, presumably until the crew get back in hours again.

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8 hours ago, NoTailT said:

Who is covering the extended airport opening fees? The overtime for airport staff and Menzies?

Some would argue that these are costs airlines wouldn't have to incur should the airport be invested, properly.

We need someone in charge of the airport and its development who isn't a profligate bullshitter, with little knowledge of aviation or local weather conditions. There has been lots of investment in the airport since 2006, with very little of it aimed at improving its suitability in poor weather. The thrust of investment has been in new shiny things for the 1.75 million passengers per annum to see and use, indeed the latest talk is about new terminals moving fire stations, relocating this and that etc etc ! Weather and diversions are inevitable given the airport's locus on the island, but had the planning process in 2006 been seen for what it was ( mostly bullshit) money could have been used more wisely to minimise the amount of inconvenience to people. As it was we tried to enter the fantasy land of Heathrow on Sea and now find that money we have already blown is not actually helping operations. Can the next appointment please be an aviation professional  who has a proven track record in Aviation, not in reality TV or Bullshit !!

For gods sake we spent 7 years trying to approve a bloody radar !

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10 hours ago, swoopy2110 said:

BRS outbound was cancelled again. No idea why as we got in fine ! Did notice getting off that there was no one sat in the holding pen downstairs which thought was weird.

EZY will be delighted their AC is stuck here overnight now. The rescue flight isn't due to leave until 1pm back to Bristol tomorrow now, presumably until the crew get back in hours again.

This illustrates the point I was making in my earlier posts. The larger aircraft find it harder to get into Ronaldsway whilst all the Loganair flights managed to get in yesterday afternoon virtually to schedule. To rely on Easyjet to only serve the island which is what could end up happening without proper thought would be a huge mistake. I fly regularly to London and the BA London City service invariably coped with bad weather whereas the Easyjet Gatwick was frequently cancelled or diverted. 

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