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quilp 11,420 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) The above is reproduced from an article written by Douglas Murray for the website 'UNHERD', titled, "Why The Left Needs 'Institutional Racism'." which I found interesting. Funny that Starmer the Llama had an opinion on the report, even without reading it! Unsurprising actually, the man is a fraud... Edited April 6 by quilp Title 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
N3Wzk0nzum3r 0 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 4/2/2021 at 5:36 AM, Max Power said: A former Liverpool player that I met told me that Steven Gerrard used to make it quite clear to foreigners like him that Liverpool was his club and that of all the other scousers! That's what saw off Alonso and many top foreign players, they never felt part of the team. I'm getting the hang of this institutional racism! I heard this is exactly what happened between Gerrard and Arbeloa and Gerrard El Hadji Diouf! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
manxman1980 1,693 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 8 hours ago, N3Wzk0nzum3r said: I heard this is exactly what happened between Gerrard and Arbeloa and Gerrard El Hadji Diouf! I honestly think this is a good example of balancing the culture of an organisation, in this case LFC and its ties to the local community, and being able to effectively integrate others (foreign players in this case). If foreign players were leaving the club because of Gerrard's statements about the club being his and all other scousers does that not create a problem? Talented people being unsettled immediately by one of the leaders of their employer based simply on the fact that they "are not from around here"? Interesting that the club finally won a league title after he left with at least two muslim players being key to that. Does the above mean that LFC were "institutionally racist"? Probably not. The same as Gerrard probably isn't racist. If all the above is true then the issue is that anyone who was not a scouser wasn't being properly integrated into the club and were coming away with the perception that they were not welcome there. Of course in the case of Diouf he went on to prove he had other issues.... Take the above type of culture and apply it to any organisation and you can start to see where the idea of "institutional racism" comes from. I can give countless examples from my career where an organisation has been based in and serving a very diverse population and yet that was not reflected in the staff who were all predominately white British. The organisation tended to advertise new opportunities in places that the local community would not look or through a network of contacts. This led to the majority of people joining being just like everyone else. I am not in favour of quotas but again that is a case of the systems and processes being the problem rather than the organisation or its employees being overtly racist. Do you think the local community had an equal opportunity to join that organisation? Or did the recruitment process mean they were overlooked as a source of talent? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Declan 7,704 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 9 hours ago, N3Wzk0nzum3r said: I heard this is exactly what happened between Gerrard and Arbeloa and Gerrard El Hadji Diouf! Arbeloa speaks very highly of Gerrard - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/10/west-ham-alvaro-arbeloa-slaven-bilic Diouf has a whole section on his wiki entitled https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Hadji_Diouf#Controversies It's not surprising Gerrard didn't think highly of him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
prism10 130 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 10 hours ago, Declan said: Arbeloa speaks very highly of Gerrard - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/10/west-ham-alvaro-arbeloa-slaven-bilic Diouf has a whole section on his wiki entitled https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Hadji_Diouf#Controversies It's not surprising Gerrard didn't think highly of him. This is the first I have heard this about Gerrard. If he had this attitude I doubt he would get far in Glasgow! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
manxman1980 1,693 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 15 hours ago, prism10 said: This is the first I have heard this about Gerrard. No idea if it is true or not. Carragher on the other hand.... In all seriousness I used it as a useful example of how the leadership within an organisation can make the environment hostile for others even if that was not their intent. 15 hours ago, prism10 said: If he had this attitude I doubt he would get far in Glasgow! IF it is true then maybe he dropped the approach at Rangers as he himself isn't from the area? Hard to say that it is a local club for local people if you yourself aren't from the area. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Max Power 6,959 Posted April 8 Author Share Posted April 8 On 4/6/2021 at 7:48 PM, quilp said: The above is reproduced from an article written by Douglas Murray for the website 'UNHERD', titled, "Why The Left Needs 'Institutional Racism'." which I found interesting. Funny that Starmer the Llama had an opinion on the report, even without reading it! Unsurprising actually, the man is a fraud... Starmer is wasting his time, I don't think the Labour Party will be taken seriously for a generation, if ever... 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeliX 2,451 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 4 hours ago, Max Power said: Starmer is wasting his time, I don't think the Labour Party will be taken seriously for a generation, if ever... A Torygraph cartoonist making cartoons that support Starmer's attempt at leadership tells you exactly what you need to know about Starmer. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Apple 1,610 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 (edited) HR 40 Bill (based on 40 acres and a mule) is being presented again in US for reparations for slavery. Some states have already commenced payments in the form of grants for housing etc. The Bill has more sponsors this time around and stands more chance of being passed. Will this ease or inflame the problems I wonder ? This weeks episodes of the Good Fight on Channel 4 (excellent programme based in a law firm that supports. African American causes) dealt with reparations head on with both sides of the argument aired in the Boardroom. Worth watching as some interesting issues came out between the black and the white employees. Edited April 10 by Apple bit added. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Max Power 6,959 Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 Downing Street rewrote the report on racism, allegedly to make it more palatable? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/11/downing-street-rewrote-independent-report-on-race-experts-claim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
P.K. 5,372 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 4/11/2021 at 2:59 PM, Max Power said: Downing Street rewrote the report on racism, allegedly to make it more palatable? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/11/downing-street-rewrote-independent-report-on-race-experts-claim Like most reasonable people I'm well aware that the UK suffers from institutional racism. So why has the report been doctored? The obvious answer is that if it reports things are pretty much OK then there is no need to do too much about the status quo. And the do little or nothing about it result is always Bozo's go to option. I also suspect Brexit has something to do with it. Racism played a key role in the Leave vote. Take the vacuous three word slogan "Take Back Control" for example it had great appeal to the xenophobic cretins. The fact that Article 7 of the EU Citizens' Rights Directive states that Member States can deport other EU citizens if they haven't found employment within 3 months and cannot demonstrate they have the financial means to support themselves didn't get a mention. In other words "Take Back Control" was the biggest con trick of the lot. Personally I think it didn't get a mention because the likes of Cameron, Osborne etc never thought they would have to spend time explaining to idiots who had been fed this nonsense by the UK right wing press for years and years that the Leave campaign was based on such obvious lies as "Take Back Control". Big mistake... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Max Power 6,959 Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 6 minutes ago, P.K. said: Personally I think it didn't get a mention because the likes of Cameron, Osborne etc never thought they would have to spend time explaining to idiots who had been fed this nonsense by the UK right wing press for years and years that the Leave campaign was based on such obvious lies as "Take Back Control". Big mistake... Well, what did you expect from Eton educated idiots who have no idea how the idiots on the other side of the social scale think and live! The Eton mob on the Brexit side couldn't believe it when they won, I'm sure they expected a few votes from the gutter but were shocked to see the level of support and the mood of the nation. There was very little attempt to point out the difficulties. They obviously had no idea how to steer us through it! My opinion is that the whole thing was meant to be a stunt, Johnson, Gove and co were supposed to lose, and they knew it! I still think we will be better off out of it though! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
P.K. 5,372 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Max Power said: Well, what did you expect from Eton educated idiots who have no idea how the idiots on the other side of the social scale think and live! The Eton mob on the Brexit side couldn't believe it when they won, I'm sure they expected a few votes from the gutter but were shocked to see the level of support and the mood of the nation. There was very little attempt to point out the difficulties. They obviously had no idea how to steer us through it! My opinion is that the whole thing was meant to be a stunt, Johnson, Gove and co were supposed to lose, and they knew it! I still think we will be better off out of it though! Personally I think the level of racism in the UK had a lot to do with it. Plus the fact that for literally decades the Great British Public had been fed lie after lie after lie about the EU without anyone being able to refute their nonsense due to the right wing MSM monopoly. Edited April 23 by P.K. Typo 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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