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1 hour ago, Uhtred said:

English Zloty - In no way was my earlier post trivialising or mocking those who died on HMS Hood - it was illustrating a movie in which the ticker-tape machine to which I referred was actually used. The mockery was directed solely at IOM ‘Newspapers’. Instead of your petty moralising, why don’t you do some volunteering for a Royal Navy charity. Many of us have.

It's still a bit raw for him.

(Not trivialising anyone's death, just the desire to be offended.)

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4 hours ago, manxman34 said:

I think this was only in settings outside the UK. I would like to see tests for prospective MHKs - something like the 11+ would do to weed a few out

 I took it in the 70's at a grammar school in the UK as did everyone intending to go to uni.

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10 hours ago, asitis said:

 I took it in the 70's at a grammar school in the UK as did everyone intending to go to uni.

I took mine at primary school to see if I was smart enough to go to a grammar school.

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21 hours ago, Max Power said:

Well, this is the way university education is going now...

https://www.hull.ac.uk/choose-hull/study-at-hull/teaching-academy/news/introducing-the-university-of-hulls-inclusive-assessment-marking-and-feedback-policy

I'm sure this is purely driven by cash rather than any desire to be inclusive! 

 

Have university's ever deducted marks for spelling and grammar? I don't think mine ever was and if anyone's would have been back then it would have been mine.

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1 hour ago, monasqueen said:

Brown envelopes?

Government subsidies and an increased pool of students? 

54 minutes ago, Declan said:

Have university's ever deducted marks for spelling and grammar? I don't think mine ever was and if anyone's would have been back then it would have been mine.

I suppose that would depend upon which courses you are taking? I know an English teacher with terrible grammar, I have no idea how she gets by!

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1 hour ago, Declan said:

Have university's ever deducted marks for spelling and grammar? I don't think mine ever was and if anyone's would have been back then it would have been mine.

Including apostrophes? 😄

Universities (plural) University's (possessive)

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7 minutes ago, monasqueen said:

Including apostrophes? 😄

Universities (plural) University's (possessive)

Well that is an error caused by poor proof checking rather than a lack of knowledge.  But  at least I don't use emojis.

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1 hour ago, Max Power said:

Government subsidies and an increased pool of students? 

I suppose that would depend upon which courses you are taking? I know an English teacher with terrible grammar, I have no idea how she gets by!

 

 

That's more an issue for the Teacher Training institution than the undergrad one. One would hope an English Lit Degree at a uni like Hull would be focusing  on the study and interpretations of literary works by important authors ahead of the line by line proof reading of a student's prose - a creative writing course not so much. The list below is what the Hull guidelines actually are...

  1. Module and Programme learning outcomes/competencies must be aligned to subject level benchmarks and/or PSRB requirements.
  2. Assessment allows students to demonstrate they have achieved these outcomes/competencies.
  3. Marking clearly assesses how far the student evidences each of the learning outcomes/competencies set out in the assignment brief.
  4. Assessment feedback makes specific reference to learning outcomes/competencies
  5.  Assessment Feedback is returned to the student in good time

The last two really are just housekeeping and what the students can expect from their lectures. The first three basically tie the assessments to the goals of the course, so they must be on topic, let the student demonstrate they  reached those goals (ie they apply an equation correctly or analyse a theme in Twelfth Night at the required level) and reports back on how well they have. And effective communication of findings could be a goal of the course.

 

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46 minutes ago, Declan said:
  1.  Assessment Feedback is returned to the student in good time

But is it? Their pledge at this point does not seem to indicate much of a rush - 

"the University pledges to return students assessed work (first and second marked) within 20 working days."

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I completed a degree in 2017 as a mature student. We were told by our tutor that we were the first cohort for a long time that did not need remedial English teaching in order to get up to standard for degree level work. I have English as an A’ Level and am appalled at the inability of many supposedly intelligent and educated people to spell and use simple grammar. Most of my acquaintances call me a pedant.  I’m not as bad as my dad, who will ask to see the manager of businesses whose menus and literature contain errors. That’s not at all embarrassing 😳 

 

 

 

 

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