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58 minutes ago, piebaps said:

There's only one reason for the OP. Its this fucking stupid "I know something you don't" nonsense which pervades modern society. I'm surprised but not shocked at Flunt for starting the thread. If only he was still here, the crime woulda been solved within seconds with tea and medals for all.

Well, I can't comment on Derek's motivation, but can say that serious stuff happens here and the police seem very reluctant to advise the public promptly. 

And you have to take Derek's point that the Manx media are also pretty poor as rather than wait for a press release, they should have been on the phone to the press liaison person to get the story.

It's not about nosiness or intrusive reporting, it is about the police fulfilling their part of policing by consent which means that they have openness within the bounds of not prejudicing the investigation and any resulting case, as well as appropriate protection of the individual's right to confidentiality. 

Read the link Derek gave higher up the thread. 

The UK police report incidents very quickly and the press report often at the scene.  Here, they just regurgitate the press release.  There are rules about publicity and press reporting but on the whole the UK press and police seem able to navigate those successfully.  

It is about open and transparent policing.  We can't use the excuse that this is a small community, (quite why that makes a difference, I don't know) because all communities are small, just in the UK there is a bigger collection of small communities.

 

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as evidenced by the fact you're the first MF member to become a worldwide meme  

It's a tired feature of Manx life that the village mentality of 'mind your own business' and the 'need to know' rule still persists. We've never matured as a modern open society and democracy, and 'ou

Because we live in an open society with an open legal system.  This happens all the time, major incidents that are subject to news blackouts. The UK police manage to release details of serio

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It's a tired feature of Manx life that the village mentality of 'mind your own business' and the 'need to know' rule still persists. We've never matured as a modern open society and democracy, and 'outsiders' bring a mentality that's not welcomed. The Manx cling to their traditions and that common island fantasy that we live in a timeless and unchanging communal paradise, if only the doubters could see it. Where the tide comes in and goes out twice a day and we are lead by wise elders and the invisible rudder of our forebears. Where the politicians and the police should be allowed to get on with the business and the public should keep their trap shut and stick to training for the next big sporting event in the Manx calendar and looking forward to next year's T.T. The morning boat is always there for those who don't like it; and guess what ? We even own it now...     

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2 hours ago, piebaps said:

There's only one reason for the OP. Its this fucking stupid "I know something you don't" nonsense which pervades modern society. I'm surprised but not shocked at Flunt for starting the thread. If only he was still here, the crime woulda been solved within seconds with tea and medals for all.

Not my area of specialism.

Media was though.

 

The public deserve better.

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4 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

Not my area of specialism.

Media was though.

 

as evidenced by the fact you're the first MF member to become a worldwide meme

 

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I don’t think it’s unusual to want to know. It’s not new. It’s not purely Manx.

The News of The World existed on this type of reporting for 100 years. But it only came out once a week.

Yes there’s “immediate” reporting in the UK. But that’s subject to two provisos/riders, unless it’s big or in London or a big city immediate can be 24-48 hours and the greatest part of what happens in UK doesn’t get picked up or reported, locally or nationally.

So, the IOM is small, things get noticed, it’s natural. Lots of emergency services activity attracts attention.

Then there’s the effect of social media. Someone will post, others will read and cross post. That’s a modern phenomenon. We’ve become impatient.

Is it the role of the police to act as a media outlet? Do we have a right to know? That’s much more difficult. I think there’s an obligation to be transparent and open so as to not create panic or suspicion ( if this was in one of the Covid threads we’d all agree about that ), but that has to be balanced against fuelling the lynch mob, social media abuse, trial by social media.

People have been arrested. It’ll either be in court today or tomorrow depending when they’ve been charged. And that leads on to the name or no name before conviction debate.

No simple answers. 

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17 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

There won't have been an embargo.

It won't have been written and published until today 

If it looks like an embargo and works like an embargo, it's an embargo.  Even if there isn't a bit of paper with the words "Embargoed Till ..." in big letters at the top.

No doubt the police told the media informally that they'd appreciate it if they kept quiet on this one for a bit and then said they'd give them a statement later in the day.  And they'd prefer it wasn't put our till midday on Sunday.  Quite possibly for good reasons that can't be explained publicly at the moment.  But otherwise there would be nothing to prevent the media reporting on Saturday that something had gone on in Bowring Road on Saturday.  Which they didn't.

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5 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

Those brothers involved sound like come over scum.  Need drumming out of the island asap.

See what I meant by trial by social media and lynch mob?

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9 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

If it looks like an embargo and works like an embargo, it's an embargo.  Even if there isn't a bit of paper with the words "Embargoed Till ..." in big letters at the top.

No doubt the police told the media informally that they'd appreciate it if they kept quiet on this one for a bit and then said they'd give them a statement later in the day.  And they'd prefer it wasn't put our till midday on Sunday.  Quite possibly for good reasons that can't be explained publicly at the moment.  But otherwise there would be nothing to prevent the media reporting on Saturday that something had gone on in Bowring Road on Saturday.  Which they didn't.

Give over. It’s almost the least likely scenario.

1. IOM Newspapers are still focussed on their print editions. So that’s tomorrow. They aren’t going to put something out on social media and diminish sales. That’s not an embargo.

2. MR. BH weekend. Anyone on reporter duties?

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11 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

Those brothers involved sound like come over scum.  Need drumming out of the island asap.

what about the local scum, where do we drum them to ?

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12 minutes ago, John Wright said:

See what I meant by trial by social media and lynch mob?

I was chatting to someone yesterday who lives in Ramsey and knows them. It's alarming if what he said is true.

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1 minute ago, John Wright said:

Give over. It’s almost the least likely scenario.

1. IOM Newspapers are still focussed on their print editions. So that’s tomorrow. They aren’t going to put something out on social media and diminish sales. That’s not an embargo.

2. MR. BH weekend. Anyone on reporter duties?

1.  But why put something out on Sunday at all then?  Of course they may be saving up something more informative for the Examiner, but what they printed on Sunday could just as easily have been produced the day before.

2. Enough people on duty to produce ten online news stories (only four on Sunday).  Oddly enough those four don't include the story on this they actually published (though it's currently still available directly) and it's been replaced on the news page by one about Bowring Road having been closed which links to a now deleted Police post.

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5 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

1.  But why put something out on Sunday at all then?  Of course they may be saving up something more informative for the Examiner, but what they printed on Sunday could just as easily have been produced the day before.

2. Enough people on duty to produce ten online news stories (only four on Sunday).  Oddly enough those four don't include the story on this they actually published (though it's currently still available directly) and it's been replaced on the news page by one about Bowring Road having been closed which links to a now deleted Police post.

1. They just regurgitated the police media release

2. I noticed the police report had gone. You can’t guarantee how many weekend reports were prepared on Friday and are dripped to give the impression of continuity.

The first MR report was at 10.05 on Sunday. 23 hours after the incident. Not much point despatching an intrepid reporter. They updated 90 mins later when the police updated

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