Douglas East

[Ham_N_Eggs]

27 minutes ago, Josem said:

I am endorsed as the Liberal Vannin candidate for Douglas East.

 

Neither of my employers, the Manx TaxPayers' Alliance (where I am employed full-time) nor the Manx Cooperative Society (where I work ~4 hours a week) endorse candidates for political office as far as I know these days. That said, when the Manx Cooperative Society was founded around 100 years ago, there are reports that it was closely associated with the Manx Labour Party.

That was a lot of words to say "that's correct".

[Amadeus]

1 hour ago, Josem said:

I am endorsed as the Liberal Vannin candidate for Douglas East.

 

Neither of my employers, the Manx TaxPayers' Alliance (where I am employed full-time) nor the Manx Cooperative Society (where I work ~4 hours a week) endorse candidates for political office as far as I know these days. That said, when the Manx Cooperative Society was founded around 100 years ago, there are reports that it was closely associated with the Manx Labour Party.

Quoted for future reference. 

[John Wright]

3 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

On the basis that he isn’t an academic with a research background and that the MTA doesn’t re sell any of its ‘research’ to anyone else and sells no advertising around its website nor sells it’s ‘reports’ what commercial activity is he paid for by the MTA? 

More importantly what income does it generate to pay an income to Josem.

[ian rush]

Sorry if posted before but MTA is now registered under the 1931 Act as a company with guarantee rather than shares. Company numbrer 134420c.

It doesnt seem to be registered as a data controller, despite the ability on their website to submit personal information.

https://www.inforights.im/registration/register-of-controllers-and-processors/

 

Edited August 14, 2021 by ian rush
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[John Wright]

19 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

It’s what they call an IOM hybrid company. Cheaper and looks less shady than setting up a foundation but keeps the shareholders away from public view. 

It’s not a hybrid company. That’s a company limited by guarantee and with a share capital. MTPA is limited by Guarantee and doesn’t have a share capital.

There are no shareholders. Just members who sign up to pay a fixed amount ( often £1 ) in case it goes into liquidation.

[Declan]

6 hours ago, Josem said:

I am endorsed as the Liberal Vannin candidate for Douglas East.

 

Neither of my employers, the Manx TaxPayers' Alliance (where I am employed full-time) nor the Manx Cooperative Society (where I work ~4 hours a week) endorse candidates for political office as far as I know these days. That said, when the Manx Cooperative Society was founded around 100 years ago, there are reports that it was closely associated with the Manx Labour Party.

Who owns the Manx Tax Payer's Alliance?

How does it earn enough money to pay you full-time?

What do you do for them? What's a typical day working for them like?

How were you recruited?

Are you on a fixed term contract? If so when does it expire?

Edited August 14, 2021 by Declan

[ian rush]

If MTA IS Josem, is it declared in election spending?

Either its him and him alone funding MTA (in which case declarable expense) or hes in the pocket of someone else.

Government does fuck up but it is trying its best incompetent though it may be. Hiding stuff as to your dog whistling motivations is weird. 

 

[John Wright]

8 hours ago, offshoremanxman said:

Hybrid is often used in respect of both. 

https://www.lowtax.net/information/isle-of-man/isle-of-man-company-limited-by-guarantee.html

 

It’s only hybrid if it has two different types of members, guarantors and shareholders.

[Quality]

8 hours ago, Declan said:

Who owns the Manx Tax Payer's Alliance?

How does it earn enough money to pay you full-time?

What do you do for them? What's a typical day working for them like?

How were you recruited?

Are you on a fixed term contract? If so when does it expire?

Again, the Companies Register helps here (it only cost £15 if you want to check yourself - it is of course public information). Michael Josem is listed as the Beneficial Owner of MTA.

It's clear that the only "work" as such that the Mr Josem, as the sole employee of MTA, undertakes is campaigning as a candidate for Keys. This of course can generate no income for the Company from which to pay Mr Josem.

Which in turn points to the source of the funding of MTA to perhaps be the other Director, a businessman with addresses in Maughold and London. The Registration documents show that the co-director is also a Director of Kelproperties Ltd, a Commercial Property Development company. A Google search shows that he is also involved in a number of other companies.

[John Wright]

1 hour ago, Quality said:

Again, the Companies Register helps here (it only cost £15 if you want to check yourself - it is of course public information). Michael Josem is listed as the Beneficial Owner of MTA.

It's clear that the only "work" as such that the Mr Josem, as the sole employee of MTA, undertakes is campaigning as a candidate for Keys. This of course can generate no income for the Company from which to pay Mr Josem.

Which in turn points to the source of the funding of MTA to perhaps be the other Director, a businessman with addresses in Maughold and London. The Registration documents show that the co-director is also a Director of Kelproperties Ltd, a Commercial Property Development company. A Google search shows that he is also involved in a number of other companies.

We shouldn’t have to pay. Josem should be transparent if he’s standing for public office.

It starts to look more and more like the Manx Election Trust.

It begs the question what the person(s) financing this is/are out to achieve? What are their views? What do they think they’re getting for their cash/if he’s elected?

Its clear that Josem would attend and self publicise the opening of an envelope if he thought he could spin it to make him look good.

Hes had some politically unpleasant views and allies over the years. My view is that he’s a toxic brand. What I don’t understand is why LV continue to endorse. There’s serious risk that it’ll rebound on them. In fact, any candidate allying themselves to Josem and not having investigated, or knowing the answers to, the above, and not then disclosing the answers, probably isn’t fit for elected public office either.

 

[TheTeapot]

1 hour ago, offshoremanxman said:

I feel sorry for Josem as all that’s going to happen is 24 hours after the day they declare there are several people who will be picking up the phone to the Clerk of Tynwald making a point about MTA funding. Then they’ll be investigating it all. He might think what he’s done is clever but he really hasn’t factored in how dirty Manx politics are. The issue of secret election funding has been dealt with before and it didn’t end well.

There's nothing to feel sorry for, he's put this in place and regardless of whether it just falls in the rules it in no way passes the sniff test.

[Declan]

Is it this guy?

https://www.keltruck.com/about-keltruck/biographies/chris-kelly/

[Amadeus]

 

 

[TheTeapot]

Read

https://fearandloathing2021.wixsite.com/website/post/the-manx-piss-takers-alliance-part-deux

[Amadeus]

Regardless of Josem, I really like that website. Well written articles about all candidates.