Douglas East

[buncha wankas]

31 minutes ago, Stu Chubby White said:

What about wannabe politicos record of sneaky weasel filming the general public to get a few likes on social media, or taking pictures of car crashes with real people in them, some would say that is a sick individual that no one would want to represent them, also some may say that much more successful Michael Josem who worked for a real big shot gaming company is making the backstreet gambling clown J E A L O U S. get turned down for a job there possibly?

I hear Pokerstars couldn’t get rid of Josem, took them years, so maybe not so successful after all, and his history is that of an obsessive person who gambled, noticed others were winning and kept digging till his mates exposed fraud which Josem then claimed as his own achievement. Looks like Amadeus got carried away making a point, but doesn’t Josem get paid by his MTPA meal ticket to do the same to others on the island. The difference is Josem knows those he discredits can not answer back. 

[Ramseyboi]

This thread has lost the plot!!

So many unfounded accusations and then people getting grumpy because after a lot of googling and investigation they found out that someone who used to work for an international business used to use planes a lot.

For the record I agree that jumping in a car to photograph every minor misdemeanour on island is a less justifiable carbon footprint than someone flying to work.

[Amadeus]

7 hours ago, Stu Chubby White said:

What about wannabe politicos record of sneaky weasel filming the general public to get a few likes on social media, or taking pictures of car crashes with real people in them, some would say that is a sick individual that no one would want to represent them, also some may say that much more successful Michael Josem who worked for a real big shot gaming company is making the backstreet gambling clown J E A L O U S. get turned down for a job there possibly?

Hello new anonymous user who totally doesn't come across like a sock puppet.

[Amadeus]

6 hours ago, Ramseyboi said:

This thread has lost the plot!!

So many unfounded accusations and then people getting grumpy because after a lot of googling and investigation they found out that someone who used to work for an international business used to use planes a lot.

For the record I agree that jumping in a car to photograph every minor misdemeanour on island is a less justifiable carbon footprint than someone flying to work.

Looking back, this was a mistake, I admit, and of course he has jumped on it like a scripted satire version of a TV politician - even tweeting how people shouldn't feel pity for him and how he wants to bring accountability (while of course still not saying who bankrolls him). I'm usually a very relaxed and mellow person and it is not often that I am so opposed to a political candidate, for various reasons, some of which have been shared publicly. On this occasion, like someone pointed out above, I got carried away which wasn't good. When you care very strongly about something, this can happen. It shouldn't, but it can. 

 Election day is almost here and I'll just trust that the voters of Douglas East will make the right decision. 

[Declan]

11 hours ago, Stu Chubby White said:

What about wannabe politicos record of sneaky weasel filming the general public to get a few likes on social media, or taking pictures of car crashes with real people in them, some would say that is a sick individual that no one would want to represent them, also some may say that much more successful Michael Josem who worked for a real big shot gaming company is making the backstreet gambling clown J E A L O U S. get turned down for a job there possibly?

Look, Amadeus is deeply flawed - we know that. But let's not let his error on this thread distract from the fact that Josem is real  threat to the Island in the election that is less than a week away. Let me reiterate - 

• He was a member of the right wing Australian political party
• He was a prominent supporter of Brexit
• He runs a campaigning organisaition - Manx Tax Payers Alliance - that is modelled on a UK one that is close to the Right of the UK Tory party.
• Yet he is standing under a false flag of "Liberal Vannin".
• A fellow Liberal Vannin candidate was Gubey's henchman and some decidedly illiberal views.
• The source of funding of the MTPA is opaque -
  • it claims to be donations funded but you can't donate via the website
  • It appears that it is funded by one or a small number of HNWI
  • Josem refused to clarify the funding.
• The activity of the MTPA seems minimal, considering Josem is paid a full-time wage. Leading many to be concerned that the MTPA is merely a mechanism for unknown people to pay him a wage whilst he's a full-time candidate. 
  • Josem has ample opportunity to dispel these fears but hasn't. 
  • He's dismissed voters asking these legitimate questions as anonymous trolls and blocked them on social media. 
• He claims to want government transparency, but is far from transparent himself as the failure to provide details of who is funding him demonstrates. 
• He seems to use volunteering to boost his profile. For example, there was a paid facebook promotion of him cleaning war graves. 
• He uses Manx symbols in the very odd way, more reminiscent of nationalists in Europe and American politicians, than the way normal Manx people do. I mean what Manx person keeps a Manx flag on a pole in their house or office so they can be photographed in front of it?
• He tried to use a cringey Corbyn-like slogan of "My pronouns are 'we' and 'us' not 'me' and 'I'" to sound all democratic and inclusive and ended up sounding anything but. 
  • cis people declare their preferred pronouns to avoid confusion and to normalise this process for Trans people. This is a nice thing to do. And Josem's slogan trivialises this. 
  • Reasonable people when errors like this happen would say sorry and change their slogan. No harm done
  • Josem took to social media claiming to be a victim of the Culture Wars like a Poundshop Stu Peters. 

So let's focus on Josem's unsuitability for now. 

Edited September 17, 2021 by Declan

[manxchester]

53 minutes ago, Declan said:

Look, Amadeus is deeply flawed - we know that. But let's not let his error on this thread distract from the fact that Josem is real  threat to the Island in the election that is less than a week away. Let me reiterate - 

• He was a member of the right wing Australian political party
• He was a prominent supporter of Brexit
• He runs a campaigning organisaition - Manx Tax Payers Alliance - that is modelled on a UK one that is close to the Right of the UK Tory party.
• Yet he is standing under a false flag of "Liberal Vannin".
• A fellow Liberal Vannin candidate was Gubey's henchman and some decidedly illiberal views.
• The source of funding of the MTPA is opaque -
  • it claims to be donations funded but you can't donate via the website
  • It appears that it is funded by one or a small number of HNWI
  • Josem refused to clarify the funding.
• The activity of the MTPA seems minimal, considering Josem is paid a full-time wage. Leading many to be concerned that the MTPA is merely a mechanism for unknown people to pay him a wage whilst he's a full-time candidate. 
  • Josem has ample opportunity to dispel these fears but hasn't. 
  • He's dismissed voters asking these legitimate questions as anonymous trolls and blocked them on social media. 
• He claims to want government transparency, but is far from transparent himself as the failure to provide details of who is funding him demonstrates. 
• He seems to use volunteering to boost his profile. For example, there was a paid facebook promotion of him cleaning war graves. 
• He uses Manx symbols in the very odd way, more reminiscent of nationalists in Europe and American politicians, than the way normal Manx people do. I mean what Manx person keeps a Manx flag on a pole in their house or office so they can be photographed in front of it?
• He tried to use a cringey Corbyn-like slogan of "My pronouns are 'we' and 'us' not 'me' and 'I'" to sound all democratic and inclusive and ended up sounding anything but. 
  • cis people declare their preferred pronouns to avoid confusion and to normalise this process for Trans people. This is a nice thing to do. And Josem's slogan trivialises this. 
  • Reasonable people when errors like this happen would say sorry and change their slogan. No harm done
  • Josem took to social media claiming to be a victim of the Culture Wars like a Poundshop Stu Peters. 

So let's focus on Josem's unsuitability for now. 

This should be posted out to all voters in Douglas East, bravo!

[Roger Mexico]

52 minutes ago, Declan said:

• • Josem took to social media claiming to be a victim of the Culture Wars like a Poundshop Stu Peters. 

And people say I'm harsh!

Of course one of characteristics of those who scream loudly about freedom of speech in these tedious and imaginary Culture Wars is that when anyone uses it to criticise them, they run about screaming how badly they are being treated.  Freedom of speech is their privilege, not for the likes of the rest of us.

I've some sympathy for Amadeus here as Josem has been as prone to calculated and meaningless virtue-signalling on Green issues as everything else.  There was a moment in one of the debates where he proudly proclaimed he had come there by bicycle rather than using his car.  He only lived 10 minutes walk away.

 

[Sheldon]

1 hour ago, Declan said:

• He runs a campaigning organisaition - Manx Tax Payers Alliance - that is modelled on a UK one that is close to the Right of the UK Tory party.
• The source of funding of the MTPA is opaque -
  • it claims to be donations funded but you can't donate via the website
  • It appears that it is funded by one or a small number of HNWI
  • Josem refused to clarify the funding.
• The activity of the MTPA seems minimal, considering Josem is paid a full-time wage. Leading many to be concerned that the MTPA is merely a mechanism for unknown people to pay him a wage whilst he's a full-time candidate. 
  • Josem has ample opportunity to dispel these fears but hasn't. 
  • He's dismissed voters asking these legitimate questions as anonymous trolls and blocked them on social media.

Two observations: the last update on the MTPA website is now almost two months old; and I don't think its desperate overuse of "blowout" is really catching on as a catchphrase.

Speaking of catchphrases, hopefully after next week it'll be, "MIchael Josem - For none of us".

[Mr. Sausages]

I didn’t know what everyone was going on about with the ‘war grave’ stuff, then I got a leaflet put through my letterbox and saw that lovely picture.  What a great thing to do. I’m now using that pic as the background picture on my desktop pc to inspire me to be a better person. Used to be a picture of Jimmy savile crossing the finish line of the marathon.

[ManxTaxPayer]

4 hours ago, Declan said:

 a Poundshop Stu Peters. 

A Poundshop Stu Peters is Stu Peters. Josem is more like an Amenity Centre Re-Use Stu Peters. 

[Stu Chubby White]

4 minutes ago, ManxTaxPayer said:

A Poundshop Stu Peters is Stu Peters. Josem is more like an Amenity Centre Re-Use Stu Peters. 

Which one is it if you get some broken tat from the re-use and post it for sale on facebook with an inflated price tag?

[ManxTaxPayer]

Sounds like a Fowler. 

[code99]

6 hours ago, manxchester said:

This should be posted out to all voters in Douglas East, bravo!

TBH, I would be aghast if Josem gets elected. In my opinion, two weeks from now he will be completely forgotten and his political ambitions on the Island will never materialise into anything serious.

[code99]

It appears that Clare Barber has tried to scrutinise the Douglas Prom fiasco, but she quickly hit the proverbial ‘human shield’ consisting of the Council of Ministers who ducked and dived behind their collective (ir)responsibility dogma. Joney Faragher is calling for a public enquiry, but will this be blocked and more importantly, would it help anyway? To me this is another case that points out that nothing will be resolved in Tynwald unless there is a sufficient number of determined like-minded individuals pursuing the same objective/ issues.

There has been a lot of nattering about the so-called ‘progressives’ forming some kind of a coalition…Chris Thomas and/or Dr Allinson are supposed to be the ring leaders (the same CT and AA who were the key members of the purportedly conservative IOMG). In the absence of party politics though, will these progressive MHKs be willing to collaborate/ stick together for long enough in order to achieve meaningful and tangible ‘progressive’ outcomes? Or, will they be happier just plodding along and telling their constituents that the reason they are accomplishing diddly-squat is invariably someone else’s fault? IMHO, not having a party based political system is a fundamental glitch in our democracy, and is the main reason that so many MHKs can promise so much, deliver so little and never be held accountable by the general public for the failures to deliver their manifestos’ promises.

I wish Joney Faragher the best of luck in winning East Douglas seat. However, my concern is that MLP MHKs’ ability to get progressive things done will be impaired if Ashford/Baker/Boot/Callister/Cannan/Cregeen/Harmer/ Perkins/ etc. all get re-elected.

[SleepyJoe]

The furtive conservatives may get re-elected - some of them - but they're unlikely to be in the next administration

A progressive government will only get things done if people stop throwing up objections to them doing so