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27 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

Like promising that you’ll bring in a private members bill to stop you getting paid twice then not successfully bringing in a private members bill and being paid twice? 

Exactly.  It is a completely pointless suggestion.

There are already disciplinary steps for gross misconduct etc.  Anything else is subject to interpretation as it isn’t easily measurable.

Meaningless waffle that just shows a lack of appreciation of how things work.  Not a hope in hell of ever coming up with a useful bill and getting it though.

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45 minutes ago, Declan said:

No, doing something illegal. 

The cynicism here typifies the worst aspects of MF.

He’s promised something as an election promise that he might not be able to deliver and he certainly has no control over any vote on any private members bill. So why shouldn’t an MHK be recalled for that as that’s basically hoodwinking the voters. He’s openly saying he won’t take the pension and the salary but it looks highly probable that he will end up taking the pension and the salary. That’s not cynical it’s a logical conclusion. If he’d said I’ll donate the balance of the salary to charity as I don’t need it then that’s a different matter as it’s entirely within his control to do that.

Furthermore if any private members bill was successful it would basically stop any retired teacher, firemen, policeman, civil servant, or any other public sector worker standing as an MHK as they wouldn’t get paid for it so why would anyone in the house actually vote for it? Why would they all vote to cap their own wages for 5 years either? 

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See I think you're just so determined to be critical you're flailing around. 

 

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He’s promised something as an election promise that he might not be able to deliver and he certainly has no control over any vote on any private members bill. So why shouldn’t an MHK be recalled for that as that’s basically hoodwinking the voters.

He's promised to bring forwarded a private members bill not that it would be successful. People voting in a General Election know that's a possibility - no-one's being hoodwinked. 

If I really wanted policy x to go through I wouldn't want to recall the MHK who tried and failed to fix it but the ones who blocked it. But the recall process shouldn't be used just for an MHK pursuing policies I (or anybody) disagrees with - that's what elections are for. 

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He’s openly saying he won’t take the pension and the salary but it looks highly probable that he will end up taking the pension and the salary. That’s not cynical it’s a logical conclusion. 

Well, you don't know he'll fail. Or if he does what action he'll take with the extra salary. 

What's cynical is you began by criticising him for having 40 years in the pension pot and now looking to double dip. Then dismissing he proposal to address that concern because now you are concerned that public sector workers won't stand if double-dipping is barred. 

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Furthermore if any private members bill was successful it would basically stop any retired teacher, firemen, policeman, civil servant, or any other public sector worker standing as an MHK as they wouldn’t get paid for it 

Actually they would if their pension is less than the MHK salary. 

 

Seriously, how could anyone in his position satisfy you?

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52 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

There are already disciplinary steps for gross misconduct etc.  Anything else is subject to interpretation as it isn’t easily measurable.

 

What are the steps to remove an MHK for gross misconduct?

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18 minutes ago, Declan said:

What's cynical is you began by criticising him for having 40 years in the pension pot and now looking to double dip. Then dismissing he proposal to address that concern because now you are concerned that public sector workers won't stand if double-dipping is barred. 

I’m not doing that at all and I’ve certainly never referred to double dip. I made a very small comment about him only calling for reform after 40 years pension was in the bank which you seem to have totally blown up out of all proportion. He has made his own pension an election issue. He chose to do that himself so I’m basically commenting on an issue he publicly raised as part of his campaign so there is no cynicism involved. He seems to have conjured up some farcical situation which is highly unlikely to happen to get round the fact that some people will inevitably point out that he’s going to enjoy a very handsome pay and pension situation.
 

If he’d said he was going to donate the balance to charity that’s fine. He can control that. But honestly why are fellow MHKs going to vote to cap their own pay for 5 years and basically approve any law which would stop every retired public sector worker getting paid as an MHK in future. It’s not going to happen is it?

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17 hours ago, offshoremanxman said:

Strange he is only calling for it [smaller government]

now he’s got 40 years in the pension bank.

 

17 hours ago, Manx Bean said:

Yes. He clearly feels he can squeeze another 5 years out of the pot - not to mention a Tynwald Pension.

 

14 hours ago, Declan said:

To be fair he says - 

I will bring forward a Private Members Bill to reduce the salary of any MHK if they are in receipt of an Isle of Man Government pension by the amount equivalent to that pension. I will campaign for a pay freeze for politicians for the next five years and a mechanism which will enable you to remove your local representatives if they fail to perform.”

 

13 hours ago, offshoremanxman said:

And how likely is any of that to happen? Who in reality is going to vote enmasse for a five year pay freeze of their own pay?

So my perception is you criticised him for the pension pot before realising he'd made a suggestion to counter that. Maybe, you didn't but Manx Bean certainly did. 

The point is a cycle like...

  • "He'll double-dip."
  • "He wants to stop that."
  • "They'll prevent him"
  • "See I told you he wants to double-dip"

Allows you to be cynical whatever he does.

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1 minute ago, Declan said:

Maybe, you didn't but Manx Bean certainly did. 

So basically you admit it was Manx Bean that made that accusation not me. Not once have I mentioned double dip or anything else. As I said he made his own pension an election issue and has made some fairly farcical promises regarding reforms that he can’t possibly control the outcome of so I’m commenting on it as it seems to be a core part of his campaign and this is an election forum. I’m sure most people fail to see why or how all MHKs are going to vote to cap their own pay for 5 years. It simply is not going to happen and to suggest it will is just naive. 

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6 minutes ago, Declan said:

You've forgotten what your original point was and are just trying to win an argument with me for the sake of it.

My original point was short and very clear. He seems to be only proposing downsizing and other reforms in government after he’s banked 40 years of government pension so it won’t affect him. It was clear and unambiguous to most who read it I’m sure.

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Had Paul Quine round today. No ideas of his own. Will be voting for Maltby and Christian. Don't know enough about Higgins but seems to be dog whistling about the salary thing so he can fuck off.

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On 8/14/2021 at 8:50 PM, ian rush said:

Had Paul Quine round today. No ideas of his own. Will be voting for Maltby and Christian. Don't know enough about Higgins but seems to be dog whistling about the salary thing so he can fuck off.

Not that it’s a unique situation, but Douglas South isn’t blessed with the greatest choice of candidates is it?

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Spoken to both Quine and Higgins. Quine spouting the same old nonsense. Managed to speak to Higgins when he was delivering his letters, he actually had some very good policies and clearly knows what he’s talking about. I was actually quite impressed. Dealt with a bit of a grilling from me much better than Quine did. 

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Manx Radio YouTube channel 20 minutes ago folks.....

Old Cretters campaigning via proxy for his darling daughter......

Didn't do things to this cadence prior to the little princess declaring did he? 

Keen bastard. 

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