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15 minutes ago, Keiran Hannifin said:

Oh I wasn't taking legal advice. I was trying to get a grip on where we are with the laws. 

 

I wrote up my thoughts on it back in March and have mainly avoided the subject since as everyone expected me to be just talking about cannabis, and if elected I want it to be on the merit of more than just that... Bit of a read... But this sums it up :

From march:

I have not spoken much about cannabis on here, as I would hate to be labeled a one trick pony. And we have some serious issues on this island that need equal attention.

However, 2 days ago, it was 2 years since the results of the public consultation for cannabis were released.

TWO YEARS of 99.2% of the people who filled it out, who were in favour of medicinal cannabis being available on island being ignored by the people who gave themselves a payrise as a priority for the job that they do (which is to look after your interests). 

Now, here's some interesting information about medicinal cannabis on the Isle of Man:

Medicinal cannabis was confirmed as ALREADY being legal, here on the Isle of Man in December 2018 by our AG. With it already being legal, why can't patients access it?

Well, despite it being a legal medicine, it's illegal to import and illegal to cultivate (without a license).

The import licenses, could be signed off on the isle of man at any time, but the Department of Health and Social care have so far failed to do this. 

It's been claimed that this is because the Island's GPs do not support the prescription of medicinal cannabis, although only 19 of our GPs bothered to respond to the consultation in Dec 2019. Thats less than half.
That aside, GPs are not elected or hired to make decisions on legislation and they are not the only health professionals able to prescribe medication.
 They don't seem to mind handing out hormone altering, addictive drugs that they KNOW causes damage to their patient's health, e.g. opioid based painkillers. Worse yet, the Isle of man follows NICE guidelines, which means that GPS cannot actually prescribe cannabis anyway. 

The process and regulations relating to on-island cannabis cultivation and production formulated by The Department of Enterprise is obsurd, and grossly unfair, essentially making it impossible for our own farmers (or anyone else apart from the very wealthy) to get into the market. The license fees are absolutely extortionate and the requirements to be met are obscene. So, what's the point? 

Well, if you have a large piece of land and a network, you can rent your fields out to big business men in the UK and shy of the profit you personally make, all economic benefit leaves the island.

When asked if we could just declassify cannabis, or lessen it to a class c, instead of a class b to avoid sick patients seeing court rooms, we have been advised that if the Island was to do this, we MIGHT risk our customs and VAT agreement. Key word there, is MIGHT as NO ONE has asked/debated for years. 

So, with 99.2% in favour (as much as Manx radio likes to report it as "more than 50%") and the vast majority of the scientific community in favour, but both being ignored by people paid to look after our interests, this couldn't get worse, right?

Wrong.

As per the Misuse of Drugs Act 1976 (copy and pasted pretty much from the UK), section one, claims that the ACMD (advisory council for the misuse of drugs), are legally obligated to meet and report annually once a year. This has not been done since 2013/2014. So, not once during this current administration.

We are apparently attempting to change legislation around cannabis, but have not had a legally required council report on this, even once.

In 2016, we passed a blanket ban on psychoactive substances. Without an ACMD meeting.

We have 2x the drug related death rate of that of ANYWHERE in the UK. And our ACMD have not reported. 

By being legally required to report, the ACMD are breaking the law by not doing this.

Dr. Ewart and Gary Roberts are both supposedly on this council. So our chief of police and director of public health are actively breaking the law, whilst still criminalizing sick people.

99.2% in favour. Science in favour.

This shows that the government are inept.

1. Because they are not following the "data" as they so often hide behind.
2. They allow people within to break the law, with zero notable accountability or punishment. 
3. They seem incapable of profiting from the most profitable plant on the planet and therefore are happy to let people suffer.

TL:DNR

However you clearly relied on your recording of DA telling you what was and was not legal. Not a good idea.

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I’m just a bystander here - but if you want my 2p. Spend far less time trying to educate or win over the muppets on this forum, and get out amongst the people of Middle 

Why convert every figure to minimum wage salaries?  I understand that the living wage is one of your key priorities but the Isle of Man does not need 169,993 minimum wage salaries.  

I think you've had it pretty easy so far. 

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9 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

I think you are completely wrong to attack GPs Keiran. There are completely obvious reasons GPs might not want to prescribe pot.

I didn't attack GPs. I just highlighted that using them as a reason for stopping people having access is moot. As they don't pass laws and can't legally prescribe unless on a specific register anyway. 

 

David Ashford is the health minister, therefore, the ideal person to meet no? I'm just repeating as I've been told, and where the info came from. If not COMIN, then who? As I've spoke to doctors, it's out of their hands, I've spoken to the police and its of their hands... So who would be responsible? 

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13 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

 

Wouldn't it be a good idea to take legal advice before proclaiming that you know what the current legal situation is?  Relying on David Ashford as your source is hardly a smart move. 

Yes, the people who filled it out...  What percentage of the population filled it out?  Those who did probably had a vested interest in the consultation and that the outcome would be in favour.  

Personally I think it should be made legal but treated in much the same was as tobacco or if it is only for medicinal use then it is treated in the same way as a prescription drug.  I didn't submit my view at the time of the consultation though.

4000ish. Plus a 95% approval rating on mannin line. 

 

Now, I know neither are legally binding... But, hell. Neither was the brexit vote, but here we are. 

 

What is the purpose of paying for consultations, if they can be completely ignored. 

 

Have you ever seen a public consultation filled out by that many, with 99.7% in favour of ANYTHING? 

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3 minutes ago, Keiran Hannifin said:

I didn't attack GPs. I just highlighted that using them as a reason for stopping people having access is moot. As they don't pass laws and can't legally prescribe unless on a specific register anyway. 

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It's been claimed that this is because the Island's GPs do not support the prescription of medicinal cannabis, although only 19 of our GPs bothered to respond to the consultation in Dec 2019. Thats less than half.
That aside, GPs are not elected or hired to make decisions on legislation and they are not the only health professionals able to prescribe medication.
 They don't seem to mind handing out hormone altering, addictive drugs that they KNOW causes damage to their patient's health, e.g. opioid based painkillers. Worse yet, the Isle of man follows NICE guidelines, which means that GPS cannot actually prescribe cannabis anyway. 

Is this not an attack at GPs? apologies if it isn't, but it is how I read it.

Can you see any potential problems if it were available on prescription? I can. Better to just skip the step altogether in my view.

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2 minutes ago, Keiran Hannifin said:

4000ish. Plus a 95% approval rating on mannin line. 

 

Now, I know neither are legally binding... But, hell. Neither was the brexit vote, but here we are. 

 

What is the purpose of paying for consultations, if they can be completely ignored. 

 

Have you ever seen a public consultation filled out by that many, with 99.7% in favour of ANYTHING? 

Kieran. If we had a consultation, or a referendum, about capital or corporal punishment, the answer would be to bring it back. The same would have been true of consultations historically to keep gay sex illegal or not to allow same sex marriage. 

Just because a majority want, or don’t want, a thing doesn’t make it morally or ethically, or even pragmatically, right or wrong. It’s an emotional response.

Its why, in a representative democracy, we elect MP’s, MHK’s. To take a lead, to actually weight up the pros and cons, the wider social, societal, national and international obligations and risks.

The issue with medicinal cannabis is simple. Home grown the strength and effect is hit and miss. Medically it hasn’t been tested sufficiently to evaluate strength, dosage, frequency, or even what diseases it can safely be used for.

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It wasn't an attack, more a point of the matter that less than half the GPS on the island should not dictate law based on a medicine they are not able to prescribe anyway. 

Cannabis has been tested alot. There is extensive research from Canada, America and Israel. As well as a fair bit in the UK (including the lead pain specialist) - we still don't quite understand how anaesthetic or paracetamol work. It has been proven an effective treatment for long term chronic pain, epilepsy and MS, as well as for various treatments in cancer. 

My recording, I record ALL my doctors appointments, all my meetings. I do this, so I can pay attention and don't have to Bring a note pad and can review at later dates. This is perfectly legal, provided I don't share the recording and I advise the person I am meeting, that I am doing so. 

Yes. That is why we pay and elect MHKS /ministers.... Therefore, they should be actually investigating this. Which it's evident that they are not. As per the Ashford comments above. 

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1 minute ago, Peter Layman said:

A better suggestion

Well, you have to get the data and info from somewhere. 

Ive read scores of studies world wide, spoken to specialists and pharmacists in the UK and Canada. I have spoken to each MHK who would talk about it, have spoken to local GPS and consultants. Have spoken to the police. I have read the legislations and acts inside and out. Have scowered the hansards (hence why I know the AG confirmed it as a legal medicine December 2018)

I didn't just get my info from Ashford, but it's an additional piece of info received. And as stated above... These people are hired for this reason. 

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1 hour ago, Keiran Hannifin said:

This is perfectly legal, provided I don't share the recording and I advise the person I am meeting, that I am doing so. 

 

when you say "don't share" I assume you're taking the stance that as long as you don't let someone listen you're ok compared to repeating the discussion in another format?

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2 hours ago, Keiran Hannifin said:

It wasn't an attack, more a point of the matter that less than half the GPS on the island should not dictate law based on a medicine they are not able to prescribe anyway. 

Cannabis has been tested alot. There is extensive research from Canada, America and Israel. As well as a fair bit in the UK (including the lead pain specialist) - we still don't quite understand how anaesthetic or paracetamol work. It has been proven an effective treatment for long term chronic pain, epilepsy and MS, as well as for various treatments in cancer. 

My recording, I record ALL my doctors appointments, all my meetings. I do this, so I can pay attention and don't have to Bring a note pad and can review at later dates. This is perfectly legal, provided I don't share the recording and I advise the person I am meeting, that I am doing so. 

Yes. That is why we pay and elect MHKS /ministers.... Therefore, they should be actually investigating this. Which it's evident that they are not. As per the Ashford comments above. 

Claire Christian has been pushing this and challenged directly in HOK and Tynwald woth questions and solutions to allow for medicinal cannabis to be prescribed in island. Ashford stated he was ‘personally in favour’ but it wasn’t a priority - Christian has been tenacious and supportive but keeps hitting a brick wall. 

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Just now, Fluffy123 said:

Claire Christian has been pushing this and challenged directly in HOK and Tynwald woth questions and solutions to allow for medicinal cannabis to be prescribed in island. Ashford stated he was ‘personally in favour’ but it wasn’t a priority - Christian has been tenacious and supportive but keeps hitting a brick wall. 

Agreed. I've spoken to Claire in depth about it, I've become quite a fan of hers in general. She is formidable and I think after another term she would be a great policy and reform minister, or even in the treasury. I also provided quite a bit of info to Daphne, pre and during questioning. Daphne also made an effort to attend the rally. 

 

There are a few MHKs who are great in this aspect....others, not so much. 

 

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out of interest Keiran, what is your plan to get your cannabis ideas made a reality?

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