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At what point did the general Manx public just accept the shambolic goings on with major (and not so minor) projects? Nearly everything the DoI gets involved with is costly and doomed to failure.

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It's not lethargy, but complacency.  We have become complacent in terms of our scrutiny of politicians, economic expectations and service levels. The complacency has arisen from a sustained perio

And here's the age old problem. Noisy minorities count horse trams as essential or some stuffy old ship as necessary.  Any attempt to put them in the bin is met with MHKs bending over backwards t

The problem has been growing exponentially though. Good, strong leaders at grass roots level too, the skilled and knowledgeable foremen with standards that the rest had to adhere to, have retired (or

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49 minutes ago, Peter Layman said:

At what point did the general Manx public just accept the shambolic goings on with major (and not so minor) projects? Nearly everything the DoI gets involved with is costly and doomed to failure.

The Isle of Man where failure is accepted and mediocrity is celebrated. 

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1 hour ago, Peter Layman said:

At what point did the general Manx public just accept the shambolic goings on with major (and not so minor) projects? Nearly everything the DoI gets involved with is costly and doomed to failure.

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1 hour ago, Peter Layman said:

At what point did the general Manx public just accept the shambolic goings on with major (and not so minor) projects? Nearly everything the DoI gets involved with is costly and doomed to failure.

I think since the beginning of COVID-19 and the ceasing of life as we know it, the GMP have noticed the general decline, malaise and the unacceptable standards which have been quite happily accepted as a whole. Shoddy workmanship by contractors are accepted as these contractors have a hold economically and financially and know there isn’t a great choice of contractors. I believe that if the civil servants were to look further afield for contractors, the cost could be prohibitive and there would be uproar by the by certain Facebook groups, as depriving the indeginous community of work. 

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It's not lethargy, but complacency.  We have become complacent in terms of our scrutiny of politicians, economic expectations and service levels.

The complacency has arisen from a sustained period of general prosperity, probably from the late 80s. That is a very long time to have "had it good".  (That is not to say that every person has prospered, but that the island overall has.)

So, of course, candidates will promise all kinds to maintain the status quo, but when they are elected, I suspect they will find the cupboard is severely depleted with little scope for replenishing it. 

Challenging times are ahead, and everyone needs to "sharpen their pencils" and think about what is absolutely necessary and what are "nice to haves".  

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6 hours ago, Gladys said:

Challenging times are ahead, and everyone needs to "sharpen their pencils" and think about what is absolutely necessary and what are "nice to haves".  

And here's the age old problem. Noisy minorities count horse trams as essential or some stuffy old ship as necessary. 

Any attempt to put them in the bin is met with MHKs bending over backwards to pacify the noisy minorities.

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9 hours ago, Peter Layman said:

At what point did the general Manx public just accept the shambolic goings on with major (and not so minor) projects? Nearly everything the DoI gets involved with is costly and doomed to failure.

what do you suggest the manx public do? 

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2 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

what do you suggest the manx public do? 

Think carefully before voting in some popular dribbling idiot, who has little to no grasp of what is required to turn this ship around, but is a "good old boy" (I include girl here not using boy in a definition of gender ...... shit getting in deep water, you know what I mean anyway).

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11 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said:

And here's the age old problem. Noisy minorities count horse trams as essential or some stuffy old ship as necessary. 

Any attempt to put them in the bin is met with MHKs bending over backwards to pacify the noisy minorities.

Votes, Votes and Votes!

Vested Interests, Politicos, Local Toytown Politics. Each of them interfering, and in turn is pushing up the bill  - example Peggy - costs of renovations and demands it’s done to certain standards. Where the Peggy is housed - Toytown Politics involved, as is Manx National Haemorrhage and further interference by towns MHKs, each pushing up the costs. If it was going to be a prize winning must see exhibit, and a world beating visitor attraction for the few cruise liner tourists we may get?

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14 minutes ago, asitis said:

Think carefully before voting in some popular dribbling idiot, who has little to no grasp of what is required to turn this ship around, but is a "good old boy" (I include girl here not using boy in a definition of gender ...... shit getting in deep water, you know what I mean anyway).

Sadly you are right, but the GMP have their own ways of voting in idiots, loony tunes and crackpots. It’s ingrained into the GMP Pysche, nobody can influence people. Remember a few years ago, a well known business guru/‘expert’ commissioned a poll, and tried to influence as to what kind of politics that people should be focusing on. It’s like the Chamber of Commerce sticking their beaks in. Yes, they be correct and talk sense, but they need to back up, by getting candidates to stand. If their members actually got elected, you would find, their original principles being ditch for the traditional Manx, and Civil Service view. Plus being under the Chief Ministers sphere of influence and an additional role within Government and extra salary helps to sway the mind.

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The problem has been growing exponentially though. Good, strong leaders at grass roots level too, the skilled and knowledgeable foremen with standards that the rest had to adhere to, have retired (or walked in frustration) to be replaced by malleable, compliant individuals who won't question the incompetence above them. It's quite cynical practice based around the "Peter Principle". We now have mediocrity as the acceptable standard and even when that is not met it's not questioned.

It doesn't matter who you vote in, new or returning, it won't make a gram of difference because they're not in control and not running the ship. We had a 50% new house 5 years ago, what's changed?

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2 hours ago, Banker said:

This is the sort of leadership we need, he’s already frozen Public sector pay except for frontline medical, all senior CS posts have to be approved before appointments, now looking to take some management levels out.

https://guernseypress.com/news/2021/06/05/we-will-have-to-stand-up-to-unions-over-cuts/

Bankers fawning over Channel Island shocker.:w00t:

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27 minutes ago, 2112 said:

Votes, Votes and Votes!

Vested Interests, Politicos, Local Toytown Politics. Each of them interfering, and in turn is pushing up the bill  - example Peggy - costs of renovations and demands it’s done to certain standards. Where the Peggy is housed - Toytown Politics involved, as is Manx National Haemorrhage and further interference by towns MHKs, each pushing up the costs. If it was going to be a prize winning must see exhibit, and a world beating visitor attraction for the few cruise liner tourists we may get?

We need to see how a figure of £5million was arrived at for a building to house the vessel.

Gold plated skirting boards?

 

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