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39 minutes ago, finlo said:

Would the Stabit lorry's even take that route?

The caller definitely claimed that the road had been improved to allow the stabits to be transported, surprised me a bit too, I can't remember where they were manufactured though. But if it was the route, as the A26 to the A24 it would be a direct route to the Old Castletown Rd and the Breakwater?

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16 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

The caller definitely claimed that the road had been improved to allow the stabits to be transported, surprised me a bit too, I can't remember where they were manufactured though. But if it was the route, as the A26 to the A24 it would be a direct route to the Old Castletown Rd and the Breakwater?

Could be, I was visualising the tree tunnel on the road that comes out in either Glen vine or Crosby.

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3 hours ago, Boris Johnson said:

15 Pages?

FFS its a few trees, they are elms at 100+ years old so just about end of life for an elm. They are planting far more to replace them. It a few more years, read 5-10, they would likely fall over in the next big storm.

If you want to get worked up about the IOM environment, moan about the lack of emission testing in vehicles. 100s of knackered 15-20 year old diesel cars and vans around now pumping out foul toxic gases.

The air quality over here on non windy days is shocking.

Not just old and knackered vehicles but modern ones with the EGR, DPF and catalytic converters removed. I frequently see them for sale with these ‘mods’ and no one bats an eyelid. I’d personally like to know how they get insured, I asked my insurance if I could remove my DPF and they class it as an increase in engine power as it’s an exhaust modification and is likely to increase power, to go one step further it would invalidate my insurance if I didn’t declare it.

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1 hour ago, Annoymouse said:

Not just old and knackered vehicles but modern ones with the EGR, DPF and catalytic converters removed. I frequently see them for sale with these ‘mods’ and no one bats an eyelid. I’d personally like to know how they get insured, I asked my insurance if I could remove my DPF and they class it as an increase in engine power as it’s an exhaust modification and is likely to increase power, to go one step further it would invalidate my insurance if I didn’t declare it.

I'm sure that our new £7.5M Testing Station and appropriate enforcement of regulations will resolve this in due course.

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12 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

Weren;t they made at Port Soderick?

Yes, at Keristal in the field to the left of the road when heading towards the coast.

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So far the petition to save the trees has gathered over 28,000 and is heading towards 30,000 signatures. 
 

I wonder in the history of petitions on the island and general campaigning, is this a record? I would say that a few current MHKs will be fearful of potentially losing their seat. I would also reckon that any potential developers or development in the area will be scrutinised and objected to like never before. It may not be worth the hassle for a developer. 
 

Doesnt it also send a very powerful message to Government which they can’t ignore unlike with previous petitions. 

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12 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

I'm sure that our new £7.5M Testing Station and appropriate enforcement of regulations will resolve this in due course.

Probably right, but for the moment all it would take is someone trawling the sale ads and picking out the 2 or 3 a week for sale who openly advertise the illegal mods.

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I note that the Petition with a lot of support is to save the trees, though I am not sure what the exact purpose of today's demonstration is, but it highly likely that anyone at the demonstration has signed the petition. How will this work? The felling of the trees has been approved through a lawful process. The lawful process was arrived at through democratic means, ie approved by Tynwald, and operated by a Department of the Government. The process has been completed. For the petition (and possibly the demonstration) to be successful then the democratic process must give way to mob rule, or a form of anarchy and indeed bullying. The imperative for the protest now must surely to prevent any more of this or it will be government by the mass protest aided by our spineless politicians.

The forthcoming general election and local elections to some degree give everyone the chance to offer their vote to candidates that will commit to overhauling the whole planning process, eg the planning rules, the green areas zoned for development, the lack of brownfield development, etc. No commitment - no vote. Unless of course this is another 15 minute social media wonder where everyone gets wound up then forgets about it when the next social media headline hits. Or maybe this time the candidates for MHK will be hit hard with the thought there might be up to 28,000 votes on the line. Who knows but it will be interesting to see if this surge of voter energy will play out right through to the election on the topic of the countryside and its plundering.

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2 minutes ago, Trackman said:

I note that the Petition with a lot of support is to save the trees, though I am not sure what the exact purpose of today's demonstration is, but it highly likely that anyone at the demonstration has signed the petition. How will this work? The felling of the trees has been approved through a lawful process. The lawful process was arrived at through democratic means, ie approved by Tynwald, and operated by a Department of the Government. The process has been completed. For the petition (and possibly the demonstration) to be successful then the democratic process must give way to mob rule, or a form of anarchy and indeed bullying. The imperative for the protest now must surely to prevent any more of this or it will be government by the mass protest aided by our spineless politicians.

The forthcoming general election and local elections to some degree give everyone the chance to offer their vote to candidates that will commit to overhauling the whole planning process, eg the planning rules, the green areas zoned for development, the lack of brownfield development, etc. No commitment - no vote. Unless of course this is another 15 minute social media wonder where everyone gets wound up then forgets about it when the next social media headline hits. Or maybe this time the candidates for MHK will be hit hard with the thought there might be up to 28,000 votes on the line. Who knows but it will be interesting to see if this surge of voter energy will play out right through to the election on the topic of the countryside and its plundering.

You raise some very good points. Sadly a few MF idiots will be on to denigrate you, demean you and to troll your every post that you make.

In the adjacent isle, the use of online petitions, if they reach 100,000+ signatures, they debate the issue in the House of Commons. Bearing in mind our population is up to 85,000 so will Tynpotwald debate this issue? On past experiences they have either caved in totally or totally ignored. 
 

You are right in that it has been raised to an election issue, but at the same time by it’s slavish devotion to climate change, and the Professor Curran’s report, there isn’t much room to manoeuvre. 

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