manxman1980 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 57 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Actually it wouldn't. Privacy might apply to third parties involved, such as passengers, but not to those who were employed or responsible. The 'rule' that Manx civil servants should never be held responsible for anything and the information never made public is an entirely self-invented one and has nothing to do with data protection, privacy or any other human rights issues. This applies to other things as well (such as publication of top salaries) which are said to be. impossible here, but done as a matter of course in the UK. The point I was making was not about the publication of the names in the accident reports. The point was that unless the matter ends up in a public court then the public will not be informed of any action taken by the employer (e.g. disciplinary action) as that is definitely covered by Data Protection and GDPR. On the other points I may concede some ground, however, I still think it is important for an investigator to understand the legal framework in the jurisdiction in which they are investigating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 You really don't need to understand the difference between laws of differing jurisdictions when it comes to saving life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh G Rection Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Hope the Police attended the scene and checked that the trams tyres had sufficient tread. The rails can be slippy if the tyres are essentially slicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 For comparative purposes, there is an inquest report just out into the fatal tram crash in Croydon in 2016, where the tram was going excessively fast. It appears that the driver may not have been sleeping too well. The verdict was that it was an accident. "The inquest heard that the tram went into a very tight corner, just before the tram stop, at 73km/h (45mph). The speed limit was 20km/h (12mph). " "The foreman of the jury said: "The tram driver became disorientated, which caused loss of awareness in his surroundings, probably due to a lack of sleep. "As a result of which, the driver failed to brake in time and drove his tram towards a tight curve at excessive speed. "The tram left the rails and overturned on to its right side, as a result of which the deceased [were] ejected from the tram and killed."" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, monasqueen said: For comparative purposes, there is an inquest report just out into the fatal tram crash in Croydon in 2016, where the tram was going excessively fast. It appears that the driver may not have been sleeping too well. I'd also read the linked background news item on the subject that shows the role RAIB takes in these investigations and the changes that have already been implemented. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 3 hours ago, monasqueen said: For comparative purposes, there is an inquest report just out into the fatal tram crash in Croydon in 2016, where the tram was going excessively fast. It appears that the driver may not have been sleeping too well. The verdict was that it was an accident. "The inquest heard that the tram went into a very tight corner, just before the tram stop, at 73km/h (45mph). The speed limit was 20km/h (12mph). " "The foreman of the jury said: "The tram driver became disorientated, which caused loss of awareness in his surroundings, probably due to a lack of sleep. "As a result of which, the driver failed to brake in time and drove his tram towards a tight curve at excessive speed. "The tram left the rails and overturned on to its right side, as a result of which the deceased [were] ejected from the tram and killed."" Jeez, we were on a tram going round that corner the day before. Blimey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Don't worry Doc. the track before and after the accident site are 'Accident Free Zones' !!! The driver is not suspended apparently? Tho what his wife has to say about the hedge trip ?????????????? Speed is the conjecture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/22/2021 at 7:24 PM, Kopek said: The driver is not suspended apparently? Tho what his wife has to say about the hedge trip ?????????????? Speed is the conjecture. I thought that it was customary for Mr Longworth to suspend any driver involved in an accident pending an inquiry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, Max Power said: I thought that it was customary for Mr Longworth to suspend any driver involved in an accident pending an inquiry? I heard that he sacked them regardless of fault! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 If he can sack himself that would be good news! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightening McQueen Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Rumour has it, Mr Longworth it at the controls of an approaching tram! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Longshanks really should stop driving the trains............................. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Any news on the previous tram accidents, or is it is a case of ‘state secret’? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, 2112 said: Any news on the previous tram accidents, or is it is a case of ‘state secret’? Covered up I assume, no fare paying passengers so does it need formal investigation ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Banker said: Covered up I assume, no fare paying passengers so does it need formal investigation ? That cannot be right, can it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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