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8 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

The remark that got Baker in trouble is actually very revealing:

 [Robertshaw] seems to see conspiracy in every situation. You see things the way that you are. If you are basically honest, you see things as honest and if you are not, you don’t.

Now even ignoring the insult to Robertshaw and the fact that the word 'basically' is doing a lot of work here, this is complete nonsense.  Whether something is honest or not is complete unrelated to the honesty of those assessing it.  And even if the intentions of some or all of those are honest, it doesn't mean that the enterprise itself will be.  People can be deluded or mislead or misinformed or inattentive.

 

Baker's effectively accusing Robertshaw of projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection),  however, it looks more like Baker's projecting his own shortcomings on Robbo.

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3 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

I'm not sure that he actually has been.  It's just that he has made more of an effort to communicate the 'reasons' for his Department's actions (or lack of them) and so unwittingly exposed what a shitstorm they are and his complete inability to do anything about it except moan about criticism.  When Harmer bothered to appear, what he said was usually incomprehensible, so it wasn't quite so obvious.

Communication or not. The failures have been even worse than under Harmer.

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2 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Well, if they'd picked Callister, Cregeen or Perkins I could have seen things being worse. 

It's the political equivalent of a Mobius strip, that increases in shitness as you continue around it.

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7 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said:

Communication or not. The failures have been even worse than under Harmer.

The failures began with the last administration. The fact that we are seeing the fruition of them now is just Baker's bad luck really. 

Every Minister inherits the misdeeds of his predecessors, which usually have their root cause in the departmental executives. These mandarins escape all the consequences of their lack of ability and control. Realistically, how on earth do we expect one elected representative to have much control over these long term incompetents? They can't sack them, they get blamed for all of their failures and lack of acumen and drive and get accused of bullying if they start throwing their weight around. 

I've met Tim Baker once or twice and he seems a pretty decent guy with a lot to offer, he's just frustrated by a department which is all over the place, has too many responsibilities to carry out, it's just a Manx monster and should be downsized. Those responsible are those who allowed the DoI to become the size that it is, and managing such a huge budget where millions are treated like hundreds! 

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1 hour ago, Twitch said:

He's been let down by his civil servants, his Department is too big, but ultimately he is accountable. He needs to be voted out.

An MHK only needs to be popular with the voters for, effectively, one day in 5 years. With the civil servants the rest of the 5 years.

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The DOI has seen off yet another politico. If the head count to date and the Beaman's Report don't instigate a root and branch reform of the DOI then there is seriously something wrong with the governance of this Island and the view that is taken of taxpayers money, particularly within that Department.

There also needs to be a forensic PAC (is that an oxymoron?) examination of why this project was undertaken, who drove it and why it's gone so badly amiss.

Although to me personally it looks to be born of idealism and perhaps recent qualifications, not tempered in any way by experience or any practical considerations.

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13 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

The DOI has seen off yet another politico. If the head count to date and the Beaman's Report don't instigate a root and branch reform of the DOI then there is seriously something wrong with the governance of this Island and the view that is taken of taxpayers money, particularly within that Department.

There also needs to be a forensic PAC (is that an oxymoron?) examination of why this project was undertaken, who drove it and why it's gone so badly amiss.

Although to me personally it looks to be born of idealism and perhaps recent qualifications, not tempered in any way by experience or any practical considerations.

Your right but the only people that seemingly don't reckonise this and certainly haven't done anything to sort it is the Government. The writing has been on the wall for years in smaller contracts , road maintenance and the likes. Have they all got blinkers on or just totally incompetent . Or have the CS  got that much of a hold ?      

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7 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

Your right but the only people that seemingly don't reckonise this and certainly haven't done anything to sort it is the Government. The writing has been on the wall for years in smaller contracts , road maintenance and the likes. Have they all got blinkers on or just totally incompetent . Or have the CS  got that much of a hold ?      

On the "Promenade" thread on Wednesday poster @The Chief related what they'd seen re. a pothole repair team, I've seen similar myself. The Govt are employing contractors who themselves are employing casual labour to go out and do these jobs (I also know a couple of chaps on it).

We are on a race to the bottom in terms of not only the standard of service to the public but also employment and pay for the lower sections of our society (including Govt), in order to preserve, retain and justify positions and salaries at the top, which appear to be on the increase all the time.

There was an employment question on the recent Census as to the nature of employment, casual etc. It will be interesting to see just how many of the population are now on casual and zhc terms.

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6 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

On the "Promenade" thread on Wednesday poster @The Chief related what they'd seen re. a pothole repair team, I've seen similar myself. The Govt are employing contractors who themselves are employing casual labour to go out and do these jobs (I also know a couple of chaps on it).

We are on a race to the bottom in terms of not only the standard of service to the public but also employment and pay for the lower sections of our society (including Govt), in order to preserve, retain and justify positions and salaries at the top, which appear to be on the increase all the time.

There was an employment question on the recent Census as to the nature of employment, casual etc. It will be interesting to see just how many of the population are now on casual and zhc terms.

The DOI have actually got at least one 'pothole' repair team as know a guy who works on it. However he's often moved to a driving job and the likes as need arises. 

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27 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

The DOI have actually got at least one 'pothole' repair team as know a guy who works on it. However he's often moved to a driving job and the likes as need arises. 

The DOI have 4 teams to fill in potholes and other small defects such as damaged kerbs/signs etc. they are called Parish wardens, they were Ian Thompson's ex CEO idea, he got the idea from Plymouth council kitted them out with new vans new equipment and special uniforms the idea was good at the time but unfortunately they were given all the jobs that were too big for a 2 man team to manage and therein created a backlog and instead of stopping other tasks and putting more resource the management buried their heads in the sand and things have got a lot worse since, another problem was lack of funding, the higher management spent a fortune on outside consultants who were useless and only told them what their own management team had been saying all along,which was more staff were required at the coalface, as usual they were ignored and we now have a major issue with maintenance or lack of it.

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4 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

The DOI has seen off yet another politico. If the head count to date and the Beaman's Report don't instigate a root and branch reform of the DOI then there is seriously something wrong with the governance of this Island and the view that is taken of taxpayers money, particularly within that Department.

There also needs to be a forensic PAC (is that an oxymoron?) examination of why this project was undertaken, who drove it and why it's gone so badly amiss.

Although to me personally it looks to be born of idealism and perhaps recent qualifications, not tempered in any way by experience or any practical considerations.

Rumour I've heard from several sources : Works were undertaken too early (for political reasons) as investigation of exisitng services were nowhere near completed, so you had utilities trying to fire fight decades of ad hoc works as they were discovered which in turn delayed works in certain areas whilst being rectified. So then the project spread out in the hunt for works they could do in the meantime in a vain attemtp to keep to a program so the whole project ended up as a dogs dinner.

We had insituform working on sewer lining for years with small areas of disruption. The utility investigation & prep works could have been run alongsdie that. Then split the job into stages, Sea Terminal to Gaeity, Gaeity to Broadway, Broadway to Palace and Palace to Strathallan. That way if time and money ran out, the core of the workd could be done and honestly north of Broadway could have been just tarmaced. The vast majority of properties along there are private residences and are never going back to tourism.

Over ambitious amateurs bit off more than they could chew and no-one had the balls to call a stop and turn it around. Just double down with tax payers money and thank the fates for the mother of all excuses .... Covid with a side order of climate change.

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3 hours ago, Beelzebub3 said:

The DOI have 4 teams to fill in potholes and other small defects such as damaged kerbs/signs etc. they are called Parish wardens, they were Ian Thompson's ex CEO idea, he got the idea from Plymouth council kitted them out with new vans new equipment and special uniforms the idea was good at the time but unfortunately they were given all the jobs that were too big for a 2 man team to manage and therein created a backlog and instead of stopping other tasks and putting more resource the management buried their heads in the sand and things have got a lot worse since, another problem was lack of funding, the higher management spent a fortune on outside consultants who were useless and only told them what their own management team had been saying all along,which was more staff were required at the coalface, as usual they were ignored and we now have a major issue with maintenance or lack of it.

They don't, they have 1 pothole gang now to look after the island whole road network....................................................................Ian Thompson made a lot of good changes in the islands CS. It is a shame he is not involved now, he would stop a lot of the waste.

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39 minutes ago, CallMeCurious said:

Rumour I've heard from several sources : Works were undertaken too early (for political reasons) as investigation of exisitng services were nowhere near completed, so you had utilities trying to fire fight decades of ad hoc works as they were discovered which in turn delayed works in certain areas whilst being rectified. So then the project spread out in the hunt for works they could do in the meantime in a vain attemtp to keep to a program so the whole project ended up as a dogs dinner.

We had insituform working on sewer lining for years with small areas of disruption. The utility investigation & prep works could have been run alongsdie that. Then split the job into stages, Sea Terminal to Gaeity, Gaeity to Broadway, Broadway to Palace and Palace to Strathallan. That way if time and money ran out, the core of the workd could be done and honestly north of Broadway could have been just tarmaced. The vast majority of properties along there are private residences and are never going back to tourism.

Over ambitious amateurs bit off more than they could chew and no-one had the balls to call a stop and turn it around. Just double down with tax payers money and thank the fates for the mother of all excuses .... Covid with a side order of climate change.

This 'rumour' is actually pretty well true. And why they jumped all over the place till the powers that be came up with plans. Quayle should have called a halt to it all months ago , had a forensic examination of what was happening and only allowed to continue when answers were satisfactory . I believe the DOI budget has taken a hammering to cover overspends as Harmer hinted at before it started .  

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