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Just now, Hugh G Rection said:

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WATCH THIS AND TELL ME THAT WE ARE REALLY BEING TOLD THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!

WE ARE NOT. 

THIS IS DAVID DISCUSSING THE TOTALITARIAN TIP-TOE METHODOLOGIES INTER ALIA CONSPIRACIES AROUND THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC WHICH MAKE SO SO SO SO SO MUCH SENSE!!!!!!!

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3 hours ago, John Wright said:

1. The problem is that there’s no reasoned debate possible with those who believe what they read and watch the YouTube content etc of the Covid Deniers. There’s a huge overlap between the ant vaxx, anti 5G, flat earthen, Freeman of the Land, Zionist conspiracy brigades.

They all suffer from an inability to critically research, digest, understand. They believe without question what the snake oil salesman tell them. They all suffer congnitive dissonance. Can’t accept the truth when it’s shown to them.

 I post personally. I make it clear when I’m moderating. Are you suggesting I shouldn’t post!

2. This topic has never been renamed. I set it up, as moderator, for Ann to post her thoughts, rather than banning her when her posts were risking making a mess of other Covid topics. It’s fully explained. It enables free speech.

3. Covid clearly is a new, and for some, deadly disease. Look at the deaths and long Covid. There was no natural immunity. Think, open your eyes, how bad it would impact without masks, distancing, lock downs, isolation and quarantine. Think, and again open your eyes, to the risk to adequate health care if the effect were not mitigated. Yes, the results of mitigation have exacerbated that as well. But not as much as just letting Covid rip. All solutions are political, based on knowledge at the time, advice, political and economic expediency. Humanity hasn’t experienced anything like this for 100 years.

4. You haven’t had Polio, Diptheria, Smallpox, whooping cough, or one of many other previously endemic diseases which killed, maimed, disabled, disfigured, because of vaccination. The principles are identical. Have many stood back? I don’t think so. Vaccination rates in IOM and UK are high. Especially for adult vaccination programmes, which generally have lower take up than child hood campaigns. Vaccination risk versus disease risk is still minuscule. The problem is many people can’t get their minds around the new way of developing vaccines based on new technologies, which have been in operation for the last 10-15 years. There’s certainly no mounting evidence of Covid vaccine harms.

And yes, I agree about the risk of the appropriation  of powers. I’ll be keeping close watch  that they’re surrendered as soon as possible. Fully accept there’s much wrong with the world and it’s politicians. But the sort of conspiracy to hide facts etc would be so huge that, and involve so many people, like moon landing conspiracies, that they’re impossible to run and hide.

 

You make many good points John. And your comments are of course valid.

My mistake, it was the naming rather than renaming I was referring to - the ‘deniers’ label doesn’t imply open debate.

My own experience is that many referring to a ‘hoax’ do not actually deny an unpleasant virus exists but have well-founded concerns about where the fear-mongering and obvious agendas are taking us all. Vaccine adverse event statistics are a matter of record, as is the truism that power taken is seldom returned.

There are others better qualified to debate than I - Dr Thomas Cowan offers an interesting perspective on virus' in his book ‘The Contagion Myth’. My own concern is the increasing polarisation our various beliefs and intolerance of those of others' is creating, and where that is taking our society. I would prefer not to fuel that. I believe you are right we are facing a hundred-year crisis - won't it be great if we can aquit ourselves better in this one than we have managed previously?

 

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1 hour ago, John Wright said:

Page 1. First post. Title might give you a clue?

It's fine - Just the fact that you operate a nutters enclosure is probably something I should be aware of now. I've been a casual member of the forum since 2004 and I didn't realise. 

But for what it's worth, invariably a lot of people just hit the most recent threads and read the last comments.

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14 minutes ago, loaf said:

But for what it's worth, invariably a lot of people just hit the most recent threads and read the last comments.

And in their collective eagerness to react they end up missing salient opinion further back in the thread and run the risk of repeating something someone else has already posted. Happens all the time on here. It only takes a few minutes to pick up where you logged-out from for continuity's sake. I read every post (sad?), some posts are given more time and validity than others as the predictability of some posters is uninspiring, boring and repetitive.

Well said Loaf. 

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45 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Simple question, Ann. Well a few?

Are you a Holocaust denier?

Are you anti Semitic?  Racist? A white supremacist? A fascist?

if not, why do you associate with,  and give credence to, people who clearly are?

John your questions are understandable and I could offer potentially helpful information if you start a suitable thread in good faith.

In the meantime, I can point out that you might have revealed misconceptions, e.g. "racism" is a politically motivated word for "ethnocentrism," the term used by academics and which is very high among Jews and low among Europeans. The adaptive value of ethnocentrism is addressed in the academic literature, including that of Prof. MacDonald.

Also, you might want to look at the important differences between fascism and nationalism, including the German version that we know as National Socialism.  

John, as in my reply to Kevster, I am trying to answer your questions constructively -- not to try make you, Kevster or anyone else here look foolish.  As you might have noticed, I've been consistently polite toward other commenters, despite the crude attempts to discredit me, including ad hominem attack -- used by unsophisticated people when they lack a factual argument.

I'm here for altruistic reasons, not for ego, companionship or as a substitute for real life. If you were not sincere in your creation of this thread, and you do not actually want people to share relevant information, let us know and we can end the pretence.

If you see fit to continue this thread in a spirit of mutual respect for the benefit of all readers, I suggest that we stick to the thread topic and that you apply your moderating powers to those who are trying to sabotage the learning process.

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56 minutes ago, Hugh G Rection said:

HTTPS://FREEDOMPLATFORM.TV/THE-CORONAVIRUS-CONSPIRACY-HOW-COVID-19-WILL-SEIZE-YOUR-RIGHTS-DESTROY-OUR-ECONOMY-DAVID-ICKE/

WATCH THIS AND TELL ME THAT WE ARE REALLY BEING TOLD THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!

WE ARE NOT. 

Why all the shouting?

David Icke is a nutcase who probably headed a few too many balls while he was a footballer.

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10 minutes ago, Ann said:

John your questions are understandable and I could offer potentially helpful information if you start a suitable thread in good faith.

In the meantime, I can point out that you might have revealed misconceptions, e.g. "racism" is a politically motivated word for "ethnocentrism," the term used by academics and which is very high among Jews and low among Europeans. The adaptive value of ethnocentrism is addressed in the academic literature, including that of Prof. MacDonald.

Also, you might want to look at the important differences between fascism and nationalism, including the German version that we know as National Socialism.  

John, as in my reply to Kevster, I am trying to answer your questions constructively -- not to try make you, Kevster or anyone else here look foolish.  As you might have noticed, I've been consistently polite toward other commenters, despite the crude attempts to discredit me, including ad hominem attack -- used by unsophisticated people when they lack a factual argument.

I'm here for altruistic reasons, not for ego, companionship or as a substitute for real life. If you were not sincere in your creation of this thread, and you do not actually want people to share relevant information, let us know and we can end the pretence.

If you see fit to continue this thread in a spirit of mutual respect for the benefit of all readers, I suggest that we stick to the thread topic and that you apply your moderating powers to those who are trying to sabotage the learning process.

You haven’t answered any of the questions. You use sophistry. You discredit yourself. You aren’t, even if you believe differently, sharing relevant information. 

You’re posting discredited drivel, lies, misinformation. That’s why you’re corralled here. It’s to stop you sabotaging the forum.

By claiming that Europeans aren’t ethnocentric or racist, but Jews are, you reveal yourself. That’s pure racism and anti semitism.

You aren’t welcome. Please voluntarily stop posting.

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