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41 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

And the eventual decommissioning costs.

Yes, but don't forget the private company makes the profit while it operates and the taxpayers pay for the decommissioning and cleanup of any accidents. Windscale/Sellafield had a lifespan of 50 years and still has no long term solution for the waste. It'll take 100 years to decommison it and betwenn 1,000 to 10,000 years for the waste to decay.

Can you imagine what one bad accident could do the entire fishing industry in the Irish Sea? You may remember the ban on lamb from sheep grazing on land contaminated by Chernobyl which was 1,800 miles away.  From 1986 until decades later.

Or dumping radioactive milk in the Irish Sea from the Windscale accident.

 

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32 minutes ago, finlo said:

Until we solve the problems of mass storage from solar we'll only be able to have the lights on when the sun is out!

True, solar panels need to be linked to battery storage (which traditionally has been difficult/ expensive etc). But battery technologies are improving very rapidly i.e., battery storage should become much more viable and practical, hopefully.

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18 minutes ago, code99 said:

True, solar panels need to be linked to battery storage (which traditionally has been difficult/ expensive etc). But battery technologies are improving very rapidly i.e., battery storage should become much more viable and practical, hopefully.

One thing we could be doing right now is insist that any new housing estates are built to the passive housing standard and so require little or no energy to heat. The government could provide subsidies for these provided they were for first time buyers only.

I doubt some developers would be happy though.

It is crazy that these large estates are getting built right now without being to this sort of standard.

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4 minutes ago, WTF said:

the developers would love it, extra costs = more money , the energy suppliers mea / manx gas not so much.

I am not sure they would, they generally seem to build the minimum number of first time buyers houses that they can get away with.

If it was the case they would be building them now.

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2 hours ago, code99 said:

i.e., vast ‘farms’ of solar panels are being installed in multiple countries around the world. 

Where exactly would you put one of these vast farms on the IOM? 

For the foreseeable future wind is much more cost effective to set up than solar.

You'd need to cover the entire island with panels with our limited sunlight.  There is a reason they are in deserts. Plus nothing can l live underneath a solar panel. 

I can see it now, our beautiful black shiny rolling hills.

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9 hours ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

One thing we could be doing right now is insist that any new housing estates are built to the passive housing standard and so require little or no energy to heat. The government could provide subsidies for these provided they were for first time buyers only.

I doubt some developers would be happy though.

It is crazy that these large estates are getting built right now without being to this sort of standard.

As I said earlier - I'm all for making builders put solar panels on all newbuilds. The costs of installation would then be at their minimum.

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8 hours ago, The Phantom said:

You'd need to cover the entire island with panels with our limited sunlight.  There is a reason they are in deserts. Plus nothing can l live underneath a solar panel. 

Deserts are not the ideal place for solar as the panels overheat and require a cooling system. 

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3 hours ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

Deserts are not the ideal place for solar as the panels overheat and require a cooling system. 

Have a look at Roger's link. They're finding in the deserts of southern Arizona that plants beneath solar panels cools them. Quite an interesting article. 

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4 hours ago, monasqueen said:

As I said earlier - I'm all for making builders put solar panels on all newbuilds. The costs of installation would then be at their minimum.

It seems Bill Mummery, executive director of Celton Manx, agrees with you: http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=58672&headline=Firm's £500%2C000 investment in live casino and solar energy&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2020&cat=Business

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On 9/11/2021 at 10:15 AM, Zarley said:

It was said at last night's debate that the gas reserves in question are off the southwest coast, not the northeast, and allegedly wouldn't involve fracking. The information was in response to a question of whereabouts the gas would come ashore - but the question (as to where it would come ashore) wasn't specifically answered. I would speculate Peel or PSM. 

I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember who gave this information, however it was likely Cowin as he seems to be the "authority" on the subject. The debate has yet to appear on the MR website so I can't refresh my memory. 

On the subject of Cowin, at least twice he had to ask "what was the question again?", and the only one to do so. I thought he'd be a good candidate when he first declared, but after seeing him in person... OMG. He'd be an MHK disaster zone. He's far more right-wing than I thought he'd be and he's kinda creepy as well. Don't think I'd want to be in a room alone with him and my daughter agreed. 

 

On 9/11/2021 at 10:34 AM, The Phantom said:

Cowin is making it up!

It's quite clearly off Maughold. Relatively shallow. There is a bloody dep trench off the SW coast and would more than likely be a nightmare to drill. 

Due to the complete absence of infrastructure on the Island to extract and process, the most sensible option would be for a submerged drill head (after the initial drilling there wouldn't be an oil rig off Maughold). They'd then probably just run an undersea pipeline to Morecambe or other processing plant on the NW coast of the UK.

The transcript from Friday night's Glenfaba & Peel MR Constituency Debate is now available (although it's riddled with silly mistakes).

It was indeed Cowin who claimed the gas reserves he is talking about are off the southwest coast and not off Maughold. It was in response to a question from a member of the public about having ideas about alternative income should the e-gaming and/or the finance sectors fail.

I had hoped to C&P the relevant section of the transcript but it won't let me, so here's a few quick quotes. If you would like further detail, please click on the above link.

 

Cowin: "...£800 billion worth of gas reserves just to the south of the island."

 Wint: "Ok and will that in any way harm our green agenda?"

Cowin: "No, in 2018 they were looking at gas reserves off the east coast but that would involve fracking."  (so presumably this gas is accessible without the need for fracking)

 Wint: "Where would the gas be brought ashore in the Isle of Man?"

 Cowin: "...I haven't actually got the exact details but I do know it's to the southwest of the island within our territorial waters and basically it's our reserves."

 

 I'm still thinking he must be talking about the area around the Chickens, just south of the Calf. Don't think local fishermen will be very happy if I'm right. 

There's a meeting on Wednesday at QEII and I'm hoping someone questions him in more depth about how he knows any of this and how reliable his source is. I might even muster the cahones to stand up and ask him myself - I'm not the most confident public speaker, but I really want to know if there's any truth to this or if it's just a cynical attempt to get people to vote for him. 

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