IOM DHSC & MANX CARE

[cissolt]

An oversight by Ashford or deliberate obfuscation?  Either way, knowingly preventing evidence from being presented, and refusing to allow your secretary to look for you is negligent at best.

I hope his constituents can see the deceptive and petty behaviour shown by this Walter Mitty.

 

[offshoremanxman]

1 hour ago, cissolt said:

An oversight by Ashford or deliberate obfuscation?  Either way, knowingly preventing evidence from being presented, and refusing to allow your secretary to look for you is negligent at best.

I hope his constituents can see the deceptive and petty behaviour shown by this Walter Mitty.

 

It makes you wonder. But it’s probably just incompetence and total incoordination. It looks like it took a data subject access request to unearth documents that couldn’t be found elsewhere. If they were explicitly corrupt they’d have fiddled the SAR as well but they clearly gave Ranson stuff others hadn’t. Any other party being prosecuted would have set up a project team to handle it all whereas this just seems to have been done cluelessly on the hop by all concerned. No wonder they been absolutely caned by a professional law team. 

[cissolt]

27 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

It makes you wonder. But it’s probably just incompetence and total incoordination. It looks like it took a data subject access request to unearth documents that couldn’t be found elsewhere. If they were explicitly corrupt they’d have fiddled the SAR as well but they clearly gave Ranson stuff others hadn’t. Any other party being prosecuted would have set up a project team to handle it all whereas this just seems to have been done cluelessly on the hop by all concerned. No wonder they been absolutely caned by a professional law team. 

Different departments by the sounds of it.  GTS whoever they are, did the SAR. Sounds like there is still some integrity in government.

Its telling from the omitted Ashford submission as to why it was omitted. Perhaps he asked magson to do it for him? Or he's complicit.

[offshoremanxman]

2 minutes ago, cissolt said:

Different departments by the sounds of it.  GTS whoever they are, did the SAR. Sounds like there is still some integrity in government.

Its telling from the omitted Ashford submission as to why it was omitted. Perhaps he asked magson to do it for him? Or he's complicit.

If GTS did the SAR then presumably they had someone vaguely IT literate putting in the search criteria to find documents which might explain things. Or Ashford deliberately hid it and it was found by IT. Either way it suggests no proper project was put in place to manage this competently. The legal team from the start has pissed all over every aspect of the IOM government defense. Clearly they’re not used to trying that hard to get their own way. 

[Manx Resident]

1 hour ago, offshoremanxman said:

If GTS did the SAR then presumably they had someone vaguely IT literate putting in the search criteria to find documents which might explain things. Or Ashford deliberately hid it and it was found by IT. Either way it suggests no proper project was put in place to manage this competently. The legal team from the start has pissed all over every aspect of the IOM government defense. Clearly they’re not used to trying that hard to get their own way. 

GTS, the Government’s IT support office, maintain back-ups of emails and systems data for a number of months. So, if an individual deletes emails from their user account and believes they no longer exist they might well be surprised when a data subject access request is made and turns them up again from a thorough search of the back-ups.

While the above might explain the circumstances involving a particular politician and their undisclosed emails what would be interesting to know is when the emails were deleted from the users account, before any search was requested or after a search was requested….?.

[Manx Resident]

On another point relating to Manx Care, but not the thread about the tribunal findings, the service from Lloyds Pharmacist in Onchan has been atrocious over the last three months with lost repeat prescriptions and numerous return visits to collect prescriptions which are still not ready when promised. The war in Ukraine has been blamed for most everything else …. but what is going on with such a key service as the dispensing of prescriptions?..

[Banker]

13 minutes ago, Manx Resident said:

On another point relating to Manx Care, but not the thread about the tribunal findings, the service from Lloyds Pharmacist in Onchan has been atrocious over the last three months with lost repeat prescriptions and numerous return visits to collect prescriptions which are still not ready when promised. The war in Ukraine has been blamed for most everything else …. but what is going on with such a key service as the dispensing of prescriptions?..

Is this the one in governor’s hill as went yesterday 2.30pm to see a sign saying closed today! Apparently happening a lot but not as much as Ramsey one

[Manx Resident]

2 minutes ago, Banker said:

Is this the one in governor’s hill as went yesterday 2.30pm to see a sign saying closed today! Apparently happening a lot but not as much as Ramsey one

The one in the Onchan Precinct. There have been long queues. Elderly people have been complaining because they have been back three or four times to collect prescriptions. 

[Boo Gay'n]

The Boy Vampire puts the record straight...
 

 

Edited August 31, 2022 by Boo Gay'n

[offshoremanxman]

4 minutes ago, Boo Gay'n said:

The Boy Vampire puts the record straight...
 

 

Point by point !!

[2112]

Ashford is part of Culture Club. Boy David

Edited August 31, 2022 by 2112

[offshoremanxman]

Interesting quotes

https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/minister-and-chief-executive-failed-to-disclose-all-documents-ranson-tribunal-told-561607

"In the case of Mr Ashford, he had originally told Government Technical Services that the only correspondence he had regarding Dr Ranson were with Ms Magson, which meant they were already available to the tribunal.

Despite Mr Ashford’s own secretary offering to check his emails to confirm this, the former minister declined.

However, a subsequent future check of his emails revealed that Mr Ashford had failed to disclose emails between himself and two other people, one a Dr Crellin, in which he spoke highly of Dr Ranson and the other from Douglas East MHK Claire Barber, who asked him ‘have I missed something?’ when Dr Ranson was not announced as the new managing director for Manx Care"

And 

"Representing Dr Ranson, Oliver Segal QC, read from a sworn affidavit from a civil servant which revealed that Ms Magson had personally checked the emails being supplied to the tribunal before they were submitted to the Attorney General’s Chambers.

Some of these documents proved that the case originally put forward by the DHSC, that Dr Ranson was only an interim appointment ahead of the creation of Manx Care, was a baseless lie.

In one such email, this was confirmed by Andrew Foster, the chairman of Manx Care, where he said that Ms Magson had decided Dr Ranson ‘didn’t have the skills and experience’ for the role of medical director for the health body"

[SleepyJoe]

14 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

Interesting quotes

https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/minister-and-chief-executive-failed-to-disclose-all-documents-ranson-tribunal-told-561607

"In the case of Mr Ashford, he had originally told Government Technical Services that the only correspondence he had regarding Dr Ranson were with Ms Magson, which meant they were already available to the tribunal.

Despite Mr Ashford’s own secretary offering to check his emails to confirm this, the former minister declined.

However, a subsequent future check of his emails revealed that Mr Ashford had failed to disclose emails between himself and two other people, one a Dr Crellin, in which he spoke highly of Dr Ranson and the other from Douglas East MHK Claire Barber, who asked him ‘have I missed something?’ when Dr Ranson was not announced as the new managing director for Manx Care"

And 

"Representing Dr Ranson, Oliver Segal QC, read from a sworn affidavit from a civil servant which revealed that Ms Magson had personally checked the emails being supplied to the tribunal before they were submitted to the Attorney General’s Chambers.

Some of these documents proved that the case originally put forward by the DHSC, that Dr Ranson was only an interim appointment ahead of the creation of Manx Care, was a baseless lie.

In one such email, this was confirmed by Andrew Foster, the chairman of Manx Care, where he said that Ms Magson had decided Dr Ranson ‘didn’t have the skills and experience’ for the role of medical director for the health body"

Shocking

[cissolt]

1 hour ago, Manx Resident said:

The one in the Onchan Precinct. There have been long queues. Elderly people have been complaining because they have been back three or four times to collect prescriptions. 

I believe they are blaming computer errors, but it seems to be a lack of pharmacists. 

[quilp]

It's exactly the same at the Anagh Coar branch. Yesterday the queue was out the door.