Gladys Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, code99 said: Sorry, no idea about the knickers (but I had a hunch - have we met before?) As I understand it, the Manx Care Board Members are based in the UK. We'll see how their 'remote working' will pan out. Not sure about meeting, but it has been a long running joke on here about lilac knickers I found up on Marine Drive years ago . Absolutely perplexed about the story behind them. More to the point, I kind of "get" that the board members (non-execs) could be effective even if remote. I do not "get" that the CEO can be effective if remote. From what we know, and it isn't clear, Magson was seconded so there would have been no employment issue if we had said "Look, given the uncertainties around Covid, we really need someone heading our health service based here, so if you can't do that, we will have to disengage sorry." Who knows, if both Ranson and Magson had a face to face relationship, it may have been a more constructive one and this whole nonsense would never have happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Gladys said: Not sure about meeting, but it has been a long running joke on here about lilac knickers I found up on Marine Drive years ago . Absolutely perplexed about the story behind them. More to the point, I kind of "get" that the board members (non-execs) could be effective even if remote. I do not "get" that the CEO can be effective if remote. From what we know, and it isn't clear, Magson was seconded so there would have been no employment issue if we had said "Look, given the uncertainties around Covid, we really need someone heading our health service based here, so if you can't do that, we will have to disengage sorry." Who knows, if both Ranson and Magson had a face to face relationship, it may have been a more constructive one and this whole nonsense would never have happened. Manx Care is no better. I had heard that the former head of governance for the Manx Care board was paid to leave not long ago because they (the board) didn't want to adhere to good governance. Best to pay him off and make the concept of good governance disappear. Theresa Cope and other members of leadership refusing to participate in courses - specifically around HR issues - because then it gave them plausible credibility to say they hadn't been trained effectively to deal with certain problems internally. Our entire healthcare system is broken. Right at the very top, from Ministers (current and former) to senior leadership (current and former). This is a Government-wide problem, but this is our health we're talking about. Bad decisions made and good people lost because we are too pansy to address the root problems head-on. Edited August 31, 2022 by NoTailT 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, NoTailT said: Manx Care is no better. I had heard that the former head of governance for the Manx Care board was paid to leave not long ago because they didn't want to adhere to good governance. Best to pay him off and make the concept of good governance disappear. Theresa Cope and other members of leadership refusing to participate in courses - specifically around HR issues - because then it gave them plausible credibility to say they hadn't been trained effectively to deal with certain problems internally. Our entire healthcare system is broken. Right at the very top, from Ministers (current and former) to senior leadership (current and former). This is a Government-wide problem, but this is our health we're talking about. Bad decisions made and good people lost because we are too pansy to address the root problems head-on. So what can 'we' do about it? Who's too pansy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, quilp said: So what can 'we' do about it? Who's too pansy? 'We' bad use by me. We = our elected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, NoTailT said: Manx Care is no better. I had heard that the former head of governance for the Manx Care board was paid to leave not long ago because they didn't want to adhere to good governance. That , surely, is a whistleblowing event that a governance professional would have recognised? Best to pay him off and make the concept of good governance disappear. Theresa Cope and other members of leadership refusing to participate in courses - specifically around HR issues - because then it gave them plausible credibility to say they hadn't been trained effectively to deal with certain problems internally. OHR should surely insist on attendance? Our entire healthcare system is broken. Right at the very top, from Ministers (current and former) to senior leadership (current and former). This is a Government-wide problem, but this is our health we're talking about. Bad decisions made and good people lost because we are too pansy to address the root problems head-on. A couple of comments that probably support your disquiet. Edited August 31, 2022 by Gladys 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Gladys said: A couple of comments that probably support your disquiet. Have edited my original to avoid any confusion, the board didn't want to adhere to good governance. The resulting outcome was a payoff, make the sound advice go away. I don't know how it was allowed to happen, but it did and the said governance individual has now left the Island despite working here for many years. Manx Care was meant to be our saving grace, but it is no better than what we had already. A close family member was in A&E 2 weeks ago. The consultant on shift at night was in a bit of a tizz. He said there were two senior consultants on shift but they were remote / WFH and demanded regular telephone updates on patients and it was slowing the entire process down of him seeing to patients. Maybe @wrighty can clarify what this nonsense is about. I said in my last post and this is what worries me most: this is our health. The treatment of Dr Ranson and other individuals - like this gent I'm referring to - are damaging the quality of healthcare we receive. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavey Davey Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 On 8/30/2022 at 7:29 PM, 2112 said: These Chris and Paul videos have been excellent and forensic. It comes to something that through these videos, Chris Robertshaw and Paul Moulton have been asking the very questions (in a impartial way) that some of our backbench MHKs should be asking, and challenging. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, NoTailT said: A close family member was in A&E 2 weeks ago. The consultant on shift at night was in a bit of a tizz. He said there were two senior consultants on shift but they were remote / WFH and demanded regular telephone updates on patients and it was slowing the entire process down of him seeing to patients. Maybe @wrighty can clarify what this nonsense is about. I can’t I’m afraid. Consultants don’t usually work shifts, let alone at night. They’re usually ‘on call’ such that they’re available to attend if needed, usually at the request of the doctor on the ground. I’m often on call from home, and certainly don’t demand regular telephone updates to slow things down. Without knowing the specifics of who/what/when, and I have no business knowing such things, I can’t offer any clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, NoTailT said: Have edited my original to avoid any confusion, the board didn't want to adhere to good governance. The resulting outcome was a payoff, make the sound advice go away. @wrighty But that is my point, if a governance professional was paid off, was that not a whistleblowing event? If even a governance professional feels they have no where to go, then we are properly sunk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, wrighty said: I can’t I’m afraid. Consultants don’t usually work shifts, let alone at night. They’re usually ‘on call’ such that they’re available to attend if needed, usually at the request of the doctor on the ground. I’m often on call from home, and certainly don’t demand regular telephone updates to slow things down. Without knowing the specifics of who/what/when, and I have no business knowing such things, I can’t offer any clarity. I thought it weird it would be a consultant, titles may be confused by the family member but the grudge of the 'doctor' and their work being slowed up by someone sat on their backside at home was very real. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Gladys said: But that is my point, if a governance professional was paid off, was that not a whistleblowing event? If even a governance professional feels they have no where to go, then we are properly sunk. The whole system needs a shakeup. This crap is actively going on in our health system. The Ransom case is one thing because its very public and very much relates to a period of which the public are more 'emotive' when it comes to health. But nothing is changing and nobody has the bollocks to look at all this within COMIN and say 'C'mon lads, we should be doing better than this.' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, NoTailT said: The whole system needs a shakeup. This crap is actively going on in our health system. Just our health system? No - our whole governance. That's why they're trying so hard to keep the lid on the can of worms and failing so far. At our expense I might add. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Just our health system? No - our whole governance. That's why they're trying so hard to keep the lid on the can of worms and failing so far. At our expense I might add. Are they trying to keep a lid on it or are they just arrogant and completely incompetent? It’s getting painful to watch now. The penny should have dropped ages ago. You’re fucked just pay up, apologize, and write it off. By fighting it very badly they’ve actually made it all 10 x worse for themselves now by exposing all sorts of other things that have now been dragged into subsequent hearings. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Cannan has promised a review, can we expect him to go in with a big stick like we would want him too? Oct, I believe is his promise of a change or at least his review leading to a change. Does the current shenanigans make it harder or easier for Cannan to address the underlying mistrust of the CS or drag it out beyond his original solution date??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Same as me having six numbers on the euro lottery, Not a chance 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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