IOM DHSC & MANX CARE

[wrighty]

Just now, asitis said:

A friend of mine is in the UK at the moment having a procedure. His consultant asked him where he was from and he said IOM. No bullshit, the consultant said "Ahh the worst hospital in the British isles". This is where we are !

Bullshit

[GD4ELI]

1 minute ago, wrighty said:

Bullshit

Some ex-Nobles staff down here including a couple of true Manx, none would set foot on the IOM again.

[asitis]

17 minutes ago, wrighty said:

Bullshit

I will ask if I can post his name on here. Those who know me, know I don't post bullshit !! My friend is having a day case procedure today in London !

Oh and Wrighty, he is there because of being wrongly diagnosed at Nobles after a short admission ! So don't go telling me it's bullshit.

Edited December 13, 2022 by asitis

[Newbie]

5 minutes ago, wrighty said:

It’s happened here before too, or at least been on the verge of it. I was in discussions with the director of primary care about 5 years ago looking at ways we could manage without the overnight MEDS in its present form. 

To my mind, it makes perfect sense on an island the size of ours, to integrate emergency/urgent care out of hours (particularly between midnight and 7am) rather than running 2 separate services. Obviously, the way this has come about as a result of illness is far from ideal, but that really just highlights the lack of resilience of the service which is in turn as a direct result of the small size of the service, rather than incompetence, laziness etc.

It would need proper planning in order to deal with specific problems such as how you look after people where it is wholly inappropriate for them to be seen at hospital (for instance terminally ill people at home, some residents in care homes etc), but it should not be beyond us to solve those issues.

[WTF]

16 minutes ago, wrighty said:

Bullshit

the  thing about that comment is that you imply somewhere else is even worse........................  where would that be exactly ?

[WTF]

7 minutes ago, asitis said:

I will ask if I can post his name on here. Those who know me, know I don't post bullshit !! My friend is having a day case procedure today in London !

Oh and Wrighty, he is there because of being wrongly diagnosed at Nobles after a short admission ! So don't go telling me it's bullshit.

i know someone who received a settlement from the wonderful hospital that is nobles. 

[Newbie]

4 minutes ago, WTF said:

the  thing about that comment is that you imply somewhere else is even worse........................  where would that be exactly ?

How about some of the ones where you have to sit in the back of an ambulance for 10 hours before you can get in?

[wrighty]

6 minutes ago, asitis said:

I will ask if I can post his name on here. Those who know me, know I don't post bullshit !! My friend is having a day case procedure today in London !

Oh and Wrighty, he is there because of being wrongly diagnosed at Nobles after a short admission ! So don't go telling me it's bullshit.

It might not be ‘bullshit’ that’s what your friend was told (although somewhat disturbing that an off-island consultant is making such disparaging comments - perhaps point him/her in the direction of the GMC’s good medical practice guidance), but it is ‘bullshit’ that Noble’s is the worst hospital in the British Isles. 
 

By what measure(s)? Waiting times - no. A&E queues - no. Staffing levels - no. 
 

All hospitals have bad outcomes, misdiagnoses, complaints etc. Go on any local forum and you will find people whinging about local health services - I had a lady over from Carlisle refusing to go back there because of stories about her local hospital. She’s not the only one. 
 

So that’s why it’s bullshit. You, your friend, and your friend’s consultant need to look at the bigger picture. Health services across the UK are in real trouble everywhere. 

[WTF]

1 minute ago, Newbie said:

How about some of the ones where you have to sit in the back of an ambulance for 10 hours before you can get in?

its not always about getting in, it can be about what happens once you are,

[cissolt]

11 minutes ago, Newbie said:

To my mind, it makes perfect sense on an island the size of ours, to integrate emergency/urgent care out of hours (particularly between midnight and 7am) rather than running 2 separate services. Obviously, the way this has come about as a result of illness is far from ideal, but that really just highlights the lack of resilience of the service which is in turn as a direct result of the small size of the service, rather than incompetence, laziness etc.

It would need proper planning in order to deal with specific problems such as how you look after people where it is wholly inappropriate for them to be seen at hospital (for instance terminally ill people at home, some residents in care homes etc), but it should not be beyond us to solve those issues.

The press release was quite confusing, they said closed for the foreseeable future, that doesn't sound like a short term problem?  Why can't manxcare find doctors? Is this an expected consequence of Brexit worsened by the pandemic?

[WTF]

1 minute ago, wrighty said:

 

All hospitals have bad outcomes, misdiagnoses, complaints etc. Go on any local forum and you will find people whinging about local health services - I had a lady over from Carlisle refusing to go back there because of stories about her local hospital. She’s not the only one. 
 

So that’s why it’s bullshit. You, your friend, and your friend’s consultant need to look at the bigger picture. Health services across the UK are in real trouble everywhere. 

i can agree with that , but on this island all the bad news reaches every corner , and there is a lot of bad news , 2.1m worth that actualy got past the hospitals lawyers and then there are  those that couldn't afford to pursue a legal route and are in the publicly invisible  tough shit column.

[Newbie]

4 minutes ago, WTF said:

its not always about getting in, it can be about what happens once you are,

I suppose that is the point really. Saying that Nobles is the worst hospital in the UK begs the question how is he measuring that?

[WTF]

2 minutes ago, cissolt said:

The press release was quite confusing, they said closed for the foreseeable future, that doesn't sound like a short term problem?  Why can't manxcare find doctors? Is this an expected consequence of Brexit worsened by the pandemic?

the looking into the future skills on island is maybe 1 hour at best so don't read much into that ,  the shortage of doctors is down to an abundance of managers ,  no money for doctors because clueless people pushing pens takes priority 

[WTF]

2 minutes ago, Newbie said:

I suppose that is the point really. Saying that Nobles is the worst hospital in the UK begs the question how is he measuring that?

through rose tinted spectacles ?

[asitis]

6 minutes ago, wrighty said:

It might not be ‘bullshit’ that’s what your friend was told (although somewhat disturbing that an off-island consultant is making such disparaging comments - perhaps point him/her in the direction of the GMC’s good medical practice guidance), but it is ‘bullshit’ that Noble’s is the worst hospital in the British Isles. 
 

By what measure(s)? Waiting times - no. A&E queues - no. Staffing levels - no. 
 

All hospitals have bad outcomes, misdiagnoses, complaints etc. Go on any local forum and you will find people whinging about local health services - I had a lady over from Carlisle refusing to go back there because of stories about her local hospital. She’s not the only one. 
 

So that’s why it’s bullshit. You, your friend, and your friend’s consultant need to look at the bigger picture. Health services across the UK are in real trouble everywhere. 

Frustratingly the politicos seem to have thrown millions at it for no betterment !

My point was, bullshit or not, people are going off island for private treatment when they can afford to, such is the lack of confidence in Nobles, which is a great pity I agree.