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29 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Would be better schmoozing the electorate at the moment. 

I totally agree with you in that. If a jolly to London was required, perhaps they should have sought a meeting with the BMA and other relevant health care members professions. After all, I am sure that their membership here aren’t happy with both the DHSC and Manx Care, and I would say that some bridge building and making amends, may help. This island the way it’s going is going to find itself blacklisted as a decent place to work.

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1 hour ago, Gladys said:

Yes, we get that, but why a week after the decision was published?  Why not call an emergency Tynwald? Did the parties get an advance copy of the decision to start considering their response? 

Both parties would have received the judgment at the same, except CM Cannan, Ashie and DHSC etc probably wanted to control the news agenda which was why the news came out via the BMA. Usually IOMG can’t wait to rush out a press release to Manx Radio, Gef, Facebook etc. If IOMG had won its case, then they would be singing from the rooftops of Government Offices. Ashie would have been smugger than smug.

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4 minutes ago, 2112 said:

I totally agree with you in that. If a jolly to London was required, perhaps they should have sought a meeting with the BMA and other relevant health care members professions. After all, I am sure that their membership here aren’t happy with both the DHSC and Manx Care, and I would say that some bridge building and making amends, may help. This island the way it’s going is going to find itself blacklisted as a decent place to work.

I often 75% agree with your posts, but on this it is 100%.  

The lack of a fast damage limitation exercise is woeful. 

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There is outrage on this forum because of this case, but I do not think that you should view this as an isolated, extreme, occurrence. There have been many other comments here and in the press about bullying and harassment in government but none have generated this level of response, not because the incidents were less severe but because they were not so unambiguously and publicly documented.

A while ago I made this post about an brief encounter I had with Malcolm Couch:

"A couple of years ago at the endoscopy public meeting in Ramsey, after the meeting was over I attempted to engage Couch in polite conversation. For a few minutes he just stared at me with a blank face, until eventually, without saying a single word, he turned his back on me and walked away.
In have never come across such a pig-ignorant person. I was astounded that someone like that could have been given such a job - because he did not get like that overnight, and I doubt that behaviour was reserved for just me."

I have the opinion that this attitude is prevalent throughout government, and that include the MHKs. They are all people who feel they are superior to others.

The attitude of the MHKs who refuse to comment on this case - quoting some irrelevancy - are adopting the same attitude as Couch. They are turning their back on you and walking away. You are irrelevant. Their behaviour is insulting.

 

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Just now, Gladys said:

I often 75% agree with your posts, but on this it is 100%.  

The lack of a fast damage limitation exercise is woeful. 

What do you really expect, CM Cannan learned from the Master of doing fcuk all and King of Dick Waving, ex CM Quayle. Cannan is not a leader, he is useless.

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5 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

There is outrage on this forum because of this case, but I do not think that you should view this as an isolated, extreme, occurrence. There have been many other comments here and in the press about bullying and harassment in government but none have generated this level of response, not because the incidents were less severe but because they were not so unambiguously and publicly documented.

A while ago I made this post about an brief encounter I had with Malcolm Couch:

"A couple of years ago at the endoscopy public meeting in Ramsey, after the meeting was over I attempted to engage Couch in polite conversation. For a few minutes he just stared at me with a blank face, until eventually, without saying a single word, he turned his back on me and walked away.
In have never come across such a pig-ignorant person. I was astounded that someone like that could have been given such a job - because he did not get like that overnight, and I doubt that behaviour was reserved for just me."

I have the opinion that this attitude is prevalent throughout government, and that include the MHKs. They are all people who feel they are superior to others.

The attitude of the MHKs who refuse to comment on this case - quoting some irrelevancy - are adopting the same attitude as Couch. They are turning their back on you and walking away. You are irrelevant. Their behaviour is insulting.

 

I don't think anyone is looking at it as an aberration, but it is the first time the gritty, sordid details have been published.

Years ago, (back in the mid 80s) people felt the accessibility of politicians was one of our defining features.  Where else could you meet your most senior politician (it wasn't CM then, I think) or Head of Treasury on Prospect Hill and engage with them?  They were visible, accessible and accountable.

Not so now, which is such a shame because they are all (and I mean all MHKs) swept up in a kind of arrogance (or fear?) of position, forgetting the basics that they serve one master, the Manx public. 

That no-one seems to be questioning the sub judice edict and what it really means or applies to, just reiterates the point.  Who gave that advice and on what basis? 

The term "busted flush" comes to mind. 

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I expect Sub Judice is a stalling tactic until they figure out how to firefight this !

They just might have the impression this pile is a little too big to fit under the carpet ! 

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2 minutes ago, asitis said:

I expect Sub Judice is a stalling tactic until they figure out how to firefight this !

They just might have the impression this pile is a little too big to fit under the carpet ! 

Of course it is, but it is an example of the disdain they have for us and that it is swallowed hook, line and sinker by the MHKs gives you a fair indication of what is so wrong with this island. 

The damage limitation is not intended to protect the island and its people, but the system which has so patently and disastrously failed.

Yet no one, absolutely no-one, has stood up and said "we have got this and will deal with it effectively in your and the island's  best interests". 

Not one single MHK. 

No, it will wait a week. 

This reply should really be on the other thread.

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When the Ranson story was officially reported in the press on Thursday, IOMG had a press release on Facebook, with JPW grinning like a Cheshire Cat in the presence of Lord (Eric) Pickles who was on the island. The poor bugger had to endure a Skelly tour of the Tynwald Building. Im sure he would have been bored to death with our politicos dick waving. If only he got to hear the truth, which he could inform the Westminster authorities.

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43 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Of course it is, but it is an example of the disdain they have for us and that it is swallowed hook, line and sinker by the MHKs gives you a fair indication of what is so wrong with this island.

Your comment implies that the MHKs are naive enough to believe what they are told. That will be true for some. The rest know what is going on.

The toe-the-line attitude is determined by two things: money, and ego.

60K per year is a pretty high amount for people who otherwise would otherwise be post-persons or bus drivers. They have no choice.

Others, perhaps Allinson is an example, who could earn more elsewhere but they believe they are the only one who can truly lead the IoM. They could start a revolution, but an easier path is just to not create waves and wait for their turn.

So we have 8 ministers who will do what the Chief Minister says, otherwise they are no longer a minster. And there are another 15 MHKs who will do what the Chief Minster says, otherwise they have no chance of being made a minister. (Maybe Chris Thomas is an exception).

[The IoM has a block vote ratio of 9/14 vs 23/627 in Westminster. Is this relevant? ]

 

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6 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

Your comment implies that the MHKs are naive enough to believe what they are told. That will be true for some. The rest know what is going on.

The toe-the-line attitude is determined by two things: money, and ego.

60K per year is a pretty high amount for people who otherwise would otherwise be post-persons or bus drivers. They have no choice.

Others, perhaps Allinson is an example, who could earn more elsewhere but they believe they are the only one who can truly lead the IoM. They could start a revolution, but an easier path is just to not create waves and wait for their turn.

So we have 8 ministers who will do what the Chief Minister says, otherwise they are no longer a minster. And there are another 15 MHKs who will do what the Chief Minster says, otherwise they have no chance of being made a minister. (Maybe Chris Thomas is an exception).

[The IoM has a block vote ratio of 9/14 vs 23/627 in Westminster. Is this relevant? ]

 

True, not many current mhks would hope to earn more than that in regular life. 

Civil servant equivalent of a heo or higher?

I hoped some of the newer intake would have more shown more moral fortitude.

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