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5 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

Sadly he seems to think people are still grateful for being thrown a few pennies of their own money by his Treasury. He’s been very big on focusing on the generous £130M of our own money that we paid for (and that we will still be paying for for the next 30 years) that was paid to us when Comin’s lockdown shut our businesses and employers down. 

The inevitably of this is depressing. He's probably going to get voted in and what was going to be a pretty shitty next few years thanks to the UK situation is going to be incredibly shitty. 

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36 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:
41 minutes ago, Declan said:

I don’t think JW pretends to want to modernise Tynwald. 

Indeed, if you look at the order papers "prayers" was actually added in Keys at some point in the last five years under JW.

The Keys have always had Prayers since way before Watterson's time (presumably in the Middle Ages as well).  Here's an example from 1999.  The only difference from Tynwald is that they are normally taken by the Keys Chaplain (who's usually the Vicar of St Georges so they don't have far to come).

Watterson loves all the wigs and flummery, but I think he does want to modernise the processes - look at the changes to Questions and the way that the PAC is starting to examine current issues (like Covid and Ranson) rather than just doing post mortems after the dust has settled.  It's a mistake to confuse 'modernising' the superficial things but leaving the systems intact (which is very New Labour) with the opposite where you change what matters but leave the silly bits so you don't upset the traditionalists.

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1 hour ago, 747-400 said:

And secondly, dust off Lord Lisvane’s report. 

Actually Lisvane was over-rated.  People tend to support it because they see any change as good from the current system, but his basic problem was that, as a member of the House of Lords, he thought the House of Lords was the best possible system, while in reality every other country in the world sees it as a ridiculous (and increasingly corrupt) laughing stock. 

Even if it was a paragon, it would be unsuitable here for all sort of historical and practical reasons.  And of course he didn't (and couldn't) recommend what should be done, which is have LegCo elected by the people.

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3 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

The Keys have always had Prayers since way before Watterson's time (presumably in the Middle Ages as well).  Here's an example from 1999.  The only difference from Tynwald is that they are normally taken by the Keys Chaplain (who's usually the Vicar of St Georges so they don't have far to come).

Watterson loves all the wigs and flummery, but I think he does want to modernise the processes - look at the changes to Questions and the way that the PAC is starting to examine current issues (like Covid and Ranson) rather than just doing post mortems after the dust has settled.  It's a mistake to confuse 'modernising' the superficial things but leaving the systems intact (which is very New Labour) with the opposite where you change what matters but leave the silly bits so you don't upset the traditionalists.

I know there have always been prayers, however, they never featured as an item until it was added by Watterson. Item No 1 is now prayers. Your example actually proves my point.

I'm not sure being able to submit written questions at any point during the year is going to prove to be the most cost effective use of people's time. Nor is the Keys being able to scrutinise secondary legislation. 

 

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I can see the whole process being bogged down in a quagmire of questions (written and oral) in the Keys and Tynwald by the host of new MHKs who have pledged to "hold government to account".

It's very early days but I suspect the general election has produced a crew more interested in five (salaried) years of rocking the boat, rather than helping to row it.

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It matters little who becomes chief minister as they are irrelevant in the whole scheme of things. The market will dictate what happens in spite of not because of what government does or does not do. Government is there to facilitate private enterprise rather than suppress it. Sadly , those who get elected think they know better , but are in most cases deluded.  So nothing will happen and 5 years from now it will be the same but with probably Rob Callister as chief minister. But don’t worry , just as Donald was not a disaster neither will he.

 

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2 hours ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

I know there have always been prayers, however, they never featured as an item until it was added by Watterson. Item No 1 is now prayers. Your example actually proves my point.

I'm not sure being able to submit written questions at any point during the year is going to prove to be the most cost effective use of people's time. Nor is the Keys being able to scrutinise secondary legislation. 

 

Prayers have been said prior to a House of keys meeting for over several  100 years ,  and long may it continue ,!

 

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