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Do we need a covid inquiry?


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I saw this article before and it strikes me as a much needed thing that the IOM should do. Not to put heads on spikes necessarily but certainly to learn from what now in hindsight feel like some genuinely crazy times. I remember watching the police outriders escorting Manx people back to isolation with the sirens on and I thought it seemed near madness at the time. We’ve also had many people die of covid, many also die from cancers and illnesses that probably should have been treated as well as suicide etc. Not to mention the human rights issues associated with an almost zero tolerance approach to imprisonment etc for covid breaches.

The PAC a did some sterling work over the Dr Glover affair and letter-gate etc and I feel it’s completely right that Tynwald backs a similar investigation here too.

Who agrees or disagrees?

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=64090

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As much as I would like to see a genuine, objective enquiry, my mind is cast back to the advocate brought in to give advice on class action following the floods in 2019. I paraphrase but you’ll get the gist. “There hasn’t been one single inquiry commissioned by the government that hasn’t been a whitewash.”

 I have no reason to believe that this would result in any other decision. 

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26 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

The PAC a did some sterling work over the Dr Glover affair and letter-gate

Did it tho? Did it really? The letter shredder is now in charge of more bits of paper than he’ll know what to do with. 

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In an ideal world, I would agree, but there are many more things that need detailed scrutiny - Lpl, DOI etc.  All of which need very quick review and immediate steps to stop the haemorrhage of money.

To a degree, the covid response is done.  We have all voiced opinions on the response, but that won't change what has happened and attention should not be diverted from halting other follies.

If there is to be an inquiry, the two questions I would like answered are:

1.  Why wasn't there an emergency response plan in place, and if so why wasn't it deployed?  The mantra was this is new, unexplored territory.  Yes, it was but there should have been some kind of ERP on the dusty shelf ready to be taken off and identifying which parts of governmental the private sector needed to be deployed, engaged in an advisory capacity and the nature of emergency powers that were appropriate.  The nature of the emergency is secondary,  this was discussed at length some time ago.

2. Were there any "economies of truth" from government? 

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2 minutes ago, Gladys said:

To a degree, the covid response is done. 

I’ve seem one child of a friend commit suicide and had one good friend leave this world due to cancer that should have been treated. It’s not done for any of those families I can assure you which is why I’d support an inquiry. It’s the only sensible thing that should be done. 

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Most of the PAC members were too partial by declaring their hands all over social media or radio before the hearing started.

Any final report from PAC will be tarnised by shades of revenge and subjectivity.,

Edge, Hooper and the ex Sefton fellow should  have stood down once they went public.

For that reason a public enquiry would be valuable with specific terms of reference to answer, for example, the points Gladys mentions.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

I’ve seem one child of a friend commit suicide and had one good friend leave this world due to cancer that should have been treated. It’s not done for any of those families I can assure you which is why I’d support an inquiry. It’s the only sensible thing that should be done. 

Yes, but would an inquiry provide an  answer to those awful circumstances?  It won't deal with specific cases and you can be sure will dodge the pertinent questions.

I have huge sympathy for the many people who have been deeply affected, but an inquiry will give hope of responsibility and heads rolling, but we know that will not be the outcome. 

Of course, sadly,  it isn't "done" for those people, but nothing will change the outcome.  It will, however, divert attention from other pustulating sores.

 

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32 minutes ago, Gladys said:

I have huge sympathy for the many people who have been deeply affected, but an inquiry will give hope of responsibility and heads rolling, but we know that will not be the outcome. 

Yes of course but to me that’s no real reason not to have an independent review. Like I said with Ashford above he was very clearly exposed by the PAC investigation. That the voters of Douglas North voted him back in after that to me says a lot about the way they may have set out to frighten and manipulate vulnerable people under emergency laws. In the UK today it’s reported that Matt Hancock has had his contract with the UN revoked before he’s even started due to a backlash from African nations about him having any developing nations covid recovery role. In any normal world that is the sort of thing that should happen when politicians are exposed by their actions. Especially over covid where there are still many unanswered questions. 

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7 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

Yes of course but that’s no real reason not to have an independent review. Like I said with Ashford above he was very clearly exposed by the PAC. That the voters of Douglas North voted him back in after that to me says a lot about the way they set out to frighten and manipulate vulnerable people under emergency laws and wartime like news bulletins. In the UK today we see that Matt Hancock has had his contract with the UN revoked before he’s even started due to a backlash from African nations. In any normal world that is the sort of thing that should happen when politicians are exposed by their actions. 

That is the point of my second question.  A wide ranging inquiry will achieve nowt, sadly.  It will give too many cubby holes to put unpalatable truths.  What I would hate is for an inquiry to divert attention, and money, away from the  areas that we all know need addressing.  Many of those areas would help those affected by covid, such as mental health, medical health and social services.

An inquiry will achieve very  little, divert attention and give those responsible a fig leaf.  Either a targeted inquiry or none at all  

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11 minutes ago, Gladys said:

What I would hate is for an inquiry to divert attention, and money, away from the  areas that we all know need addressing.  Many of those areas would help those affected by covid, such as mental health, medical health and social services.

I fully get what your saying but the natural conclusion of that is that they all get off the hook for the way many people have died and been catastrophically let down just so that we can all just move on. I fear that history will show us that covid has been the biggest political excuse in 150 years for elected people to get away with some really appalling things under the guise of an emergency.

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Just now, offshoremanxman said:

I fully get what your saying but the natural conclusion of that is that they all get off the hook for the way many people have died and been catastrophically let down just so that we can all just move on. I fear that history will show us that covid has been the biggest political excuse in 150 years for elected people to get away with some really appalling things under the guise of an emergency.

Not to mention the making of obscene amounts of money for the chosen few.

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Just now, offshoremanxman said:

I fully get what your saying but the natural conclusion of that is that they all get off the hook for the way many people have died and been catastrophically let down just so that we can all just move on. I fear that history will show us that covid has been the biggest political excuse in 150 years for elected people to get away with some really appalling things under the guise of an emergency.

I agree,  that is why any inquiry needs to be targeted.

If the terms of reference are a review of IOMG's response to covid, it will be an impotent, inconclusive inquiry.  If the TORS are targeted at those areas that we have all felt uncomfortable with, it will serve a purpose. 

The two questions I pose above are the real nub of the matter for me.

Regulated business has to have an ERP, why didn't IOMG, and, if they did, why didn't they activate it? 

Were IOMG transparent?

 

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I doubt if anybody in IoM Govt would want to be subjected to the sort of findings of failure that the UK Govt has been subjected to by the cross-party inquiry into its handling of Covid. Thousands of avoidable deaths in that case.

Best keep it quiet here.

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1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

 

Best keep it quiet here.

Sadly enquiry or not that would be the end result. Its what they do best over here. How many shelved reports must they be lying in some room , there is one allegedly, in Government from just recent years. Stinks !!! 

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