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3 hours ago, pongo said:

How else can society reduce meat consumption which is a significant part of the problem? Red meat especially.

Except it's not. Destroying rain forests and shipping your shite vegan food halfway around the world is the problem. 

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On 11/6/2021 at 8:07 PM, pongo said:

Scotland's extreme Loyalist sub-culture is as horrid as extreme Loyalism in the north of Ireland (where a majority now identifies as Irish).

The gradual break-up of the UK is being driven by sensible moderate middle-class and educated people and the young. It's about economics and a rejection of the kind of regressive tabloid tribalism which resulted in England forcing Brexit on the UK.

(The SNP have also done a brilliant job of destroying the old-fashioned Labour Party in Scotland. And putting PR at the centre of future politics.)

That is so muddled that my head hurts. Only bits of Scotland have a loyalist sub culture inhabited by the Thommos of this world. The rest of us are fine. 

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15 hours ago, thommo2010 said:

You haven't wound me up though.

Losing out on 10 in a row has really screwed you lot up hasn't it? 

Lost me there mate , I hate the plastic paddies as much as I hate you lot.Figure that out 

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Let's wait to see how it actually turns out before we make up our mind about it. While I have NOT been impressed with anything Biden has done since he's been office I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that there are things he is capable of doing properly. 

Guess I'm being optimistic lol! 

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7 hours ago, Max Power said:

I guess this is as good a place as any to leave this...

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Now show us a close up of the last few hundred years, and more importantly plot its derivative to show how quickly things are changing, when compared with any previous time in earth’s history. 
 

Are you a climate change denier Max? I agree that we’re not going to stop it by getting air source heat pumps and solar panels, and governments need to start preparing for the inevitable rather than talking about reversing it, but it’s happening, whether you believe it or not.

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5 hours ago, wrighty said:

Now show us a close up of the last few hundred years, and more importantly plot its derivative to show how quickly things are changing, when compared with any previous time in earth’s history. 
 

Are you a climate change denier Max? I agree that we’re not going to stop it by getting air source heat pumps and solar panels, and governments need to start preparing for the inevitable rather than talking about reversing it, but it’s happening, whether you believe it or not.

Hang on wrighty, I'm not at your intelligence level, nor that of many posters on here! 

I'm not a denier but like you, I don't think we are going to stop it changing. I'm sure that we have had an effect on our environment which certainly could have been having an effect on climate, but I subscribe to the fact that we are going through a warming phase, as has been happening for millenia. The Milankovich cycle probably explains this in my opinion? 

My answer? Clean up our act and stop making such a mess, but I think we will be growing grapes on the slopes of Snaefell at some point, no matter how many electric cars and wind turbines we are conned into purchasing!

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On 11/9/2021 at 12:57 PM, Max Power said:

Hang on wrighty, I'm not at your intelligence level, nor that of many posters on here! 

I'm not a denier but like you, I don't think we are going to stop it changing. I'm sure that we have had an effect on our environment which certainly could have been having an effect on climate, but I subscribe to the fact that we are going through a warming phase, as has been happening for millenia. The Milankovich cycle probably explains this in my opinion? 

My answer? Clean up our act and stop making such a mess, but I think we will be growing grapes on the slopes of Snaefell at some point, no matter how many electric cars and wind turbines we are conned into purchasing!

The Romans managed to grow vine as far north as Northumbria, so it wouldn't be the first time that vino-culture made this far!

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On 11/5/2021 at 11:41 AM, Roger Mexico said:

Well they've got more than a year to make a decision if the UK cut isn't coming in till 2023.  Whether it happens at all is another issue, given the constant u-turns of the British government.  The idea is to support domestic aviation and flights and had been trailed for some time, but these have actually been in decline for years and I can't see a tiny cut reversing it.

Josem is wrong incidentally.  APD is based on departure per flight, so someone flying to the Isle of Man from the UK will get the UK cut whatever.

No, I'm not wrong. The APD cut only applies to flights between airports in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. It does not apply to flights to (or from) the Isle of Man.

If you want to better understand the UK Government's proposal, I encourage you to read this article which provides the underlying sources and facts to educate yourself: https://taxpayersalliance.im/isle-of-man-government-must-match-aircraft-passenger-duty-to-ensure-iom-is-not-left-behind/

 

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2 hours ago, Andy Onchan said:

The Romans managed to grow vine as far north as Northumbria, so it would be the first time that vino-culture made this far!

I've actually read somewhere about monks cultivating grapes for wine on the slopes at what is now Port St Mary.

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56 minutes ago, Augustus said:

I've actually read somewhere about monks cultivating grapes for wine on the slopes at what is now Port St Mary.

There were vineyards all over England, introduced by the Romans and further cultivated by monasteries, until Henry VIII had his spat. The climate was much warmer then apparently, until the little ice age.  

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5 hours ago, Max Power said:

Hang on wrighty, I'm not at your intelligence level, nor that of many posters on here! 

I'm not a denier but like you, I don't think we are going to stop it changing. I'm sure that we have had an effect on our environment which certainly could have been having an effect on climate, but I subscribe to the fact that we are going through a warming phase, as has been happening for millenia. The Milankovich cycle probably explains this in my opinion? 

My answer? Clean up our act and stop making such a mess, but I think we will be growing grapes on the slopes of Snaefell at some point, no matter how many electric cars and wind turbines we are conned into purchasing!

As Wrighty has pointed out it is the rate of warming that is the difference, it is much higher than anything seen before.

The trouble is that it is not us that will be growing grapes on Snaefell, it will be our children and their children, and the grapes will be about the only advantage.

You're right this sort of thing can't be reversed , not in any meaningful time frame to the human species, it can however be avoided. I know it's too late to avoid it all, but that doesn't mean we should give up and avoiding what is currently avoidable.

How would you feel if the Victorians knew that their industrial revolution was going to wreck the planet but carried on and did nothing about it anyway? Well our thoughts and actions are immeasurably better recorded than in Victorian times. How will they feel if we did nothing because it was going to cost a few quid?

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3 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said:

As Wrighty has pointed out it is the rate of warming that is the difference, it is much higher than anything seen before.

The trouble is that it is not us that will be growing grapes on Snaefell, it will be our children and their children, and the grapes will be about the only advantage.

You're right this sort of thing can't be reversed , not in any meaningful time frame to the human species, it can however be avoided. I know it's too late to avoid it all, but that doesn't mean we should give up and avoiding what is currently avoidable.

How would you feel if the Victorians knew that their industrial revolution was going to wreck the planet but carried on and did nothing about it anyway? Well our thoughts and actions are immeasurably better recorded than in Victorian times. How will they feel if we did nothing because it was going to cost a few quid?

The warming has taken a sudden upturn yes, would that not happen anyway when a certain point in the Milankovitch cycle is reached? I guess we don't know what form previous warming cycles took with regard to timescales and tipping points?

As I say, it's only my opinions which really count for very little. I haven't said that we should do nothing, we actually are already doing quite a lot, but there is so little that we can do as individuals. It's government and big business who will have the biggest effect either way!

The one thing which we can do, and I have probably sacrificed more than most on here or in fact anywhere, is not to have children. That one act would have a dramatic effect on our planet and carbon output. 

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