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11 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Energy company chief takes a swipe at Daffy Caine's misinformation campaign...

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/energy-company-ceo-hits-back-at-misinformation/

Does he have a point, or not?

There are 2 arguments. If we find cheaper gas will it increase usage making it bad, or will it just displace gas from other places making it neutral. 

Daphne vs crogga. Which is right? There is only one way to find out.

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4 hours ago, Happier diner said:

Does he have a point, or not?

There are 2 arguments. If we find cheaper gas will it increase usage making it bad, or will it just displace gas from other places making it neutral. 

Daphne vs crogga. Which is right? There is only one way to find out.

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It saves pumping it in from Russia so no increase in use, just hopefully more reliable and cheaper?

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The likes of Daffy, Manx Labour Party Grandees and other Middle Class sandal wearing, tofu munching eco loons, can afford to buy and easily run electric vehicles, unlike the ‘poor’ they purport to represent. The can drive and have use of Government charging points. The ‘Poor’ meanwhile either have to make use of inefficient old polluting clapped out motor vehicles, or use Longworths Pony, or the Bus at a stretch. 

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Interesting Mannin Line today with Daphne Caine. Also there's an Agenda programme on Manx Radio tonight at 6:00 with Phil Gorn and guests discussing the potential Crogga gas extraction. Should be good.

Listening to Mrs Caine I was wondering what her household carbon footprint was ? It's rarely mentioned in these debates but when you compare people's consumption there's a vast socio-economic difference in terms of domestic utility use (Heating, hot water, baths/showers, cooking, lighting, washing machine/tumble dryer/dishwasher/fridge/freezer etc.); the number of vehicles owned and milage; annual air miles used etc. I can't imagine people downsizing and decreasing their carbon consumption any time soon if it means giving up their lifestyle. The social and political limits to the environmental agenda will be the real obstacle to a carbon zero future.  

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Listening to Mrs Caine I was wondering what her household carbon footprint was

Two quotes from Allinson's Twitter account:

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We need to try and reduce the unhealthy obsession with car ownership and driving everywhere. Better affordable public transport and the active travel policy are a major start but the cultural change may take time.

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I love the way my daily drive to work is described as one of the most exceptional roads on the planet.

 

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15 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

Two quotes from Allinson's Twitter account:

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There will be like Soviet Russia an MHK express lanes around the island, especially the road from Ramsey to Douglas so Allinson, Daffy, Hooperman et al have a nice leisurely drive, whilst the rest of the plebs are on Longworths Buses. 

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whilst the rest of the plebs are on Longworths Buses. 

It could be that EV car battery life/replacement cost will be significant (and by-the-way EV battery disposal is already a problem in China). So maybe EV cars will be like battery-powered drills and angle grinders - when the battery fails, it's cheaper to dump the unit and buy a whole new one. So there will be no functioning 4th-hand EVs for poor people to buy.

Allinson realises this and some time ago he commented that he would prevent cheap used IC cars being imported from England. His view is - let them eat cake and get the bus.

Unfortunately I cannot now find that quote.

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2 hours ago, 2112 said:

There will be like Soviet Russia an MHK express lanes around the island, especially the road from Ramsey to Douglas so Allinson, Daffy, Hooperman et al have a nice leisurely drive, whilst the rest of the plebs are on Longworths Buses. 

 

2 hours ago, 2112 said:

There will be like Soviet Russia an MHK express lanes around the island, especially the road from Ramsey to Douglas so Allinson, Daffy, Hooperman et al have a nice leisurely drive, whilst the rest of the plebs are on Longworths Buses. 

Just ask how many cars there are in both families ,and Daffy doesn't even have a electric car charging point at home Quote , from Manx radio programme  she drives into Douglas to charge the car at Government buildings, and I bet her husband drives in with a separate vehicle ,  while I agree we have to do something about global warming and the reduction of greenhouse gasses its got to be  by evolution  NOT revolution  and we should not penalise the least well off who quite simply can not make the transition overnight and without incurring  great cost ,

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Im more of a climate change person than a sceptic but the numbers in this article re offsetting costs are eye bleedingly high.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/22/cleanup-cost-of-heathrow-third-runway-doubles-to-100bn-mps-told

I appreciate r3 created additional traffic rather than displacement alone, but still...

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15 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

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He raises a valid point. Unfortunately IOMG are more interested in hammering the motorist, and taxing them like a cash cow. They won’t put resources into incentives to purchase electric vehicles, as they would rather bankrupt the island, and fill every department with even more civil servants.
 

The electric vehicle charging point, behind Government Offices, is woeful considering the importance of climate change to our politicos (or so they claim). Without Government subsidies electric vehicles, then it means that electric vehicles become the preserve of the middle classes, and Tynpotwald members. 

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2 hours ago, 2112 said:

He raises a valid point. Unfortunately IOMG are more interested in hammering the motorist, and taxing them like a cash cow. They won’t put resources into incentives to purchase electric vehicles, as they would rather bankrupt the island, and fill every department with even more civil servants.
 

The electric vehicle charging point, behind Government Offices, is woeful considering the importance of climate change to our politicos (or so they claim). Without Government subsidies electric vehicles, then it means that electric vehicles become the preserve of the middle classes, and Tynpotwald members. 

So in 8 yers we are going to have  just over 9000 new electric vehicles on Manx roads ,  so where is the additional electricity coming from to charge all these vehicles     ,and bear in mind if homes are moving away from Gas and oil for heating , Electricity will be even  further in demand 

UK media story today said energy costs(electricity ) is set to double in price during 2022 , the way things are going we will be collecting drift wood from the beaches and Pallets  to burn to stay warm   don't  kid yourselves  the petrol engine is here to stay for a good while yet  and a lot of clever people don't think electric cars are the answer anyway ,

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2 hours ago, 2112 said:

He raises a valid point. Unfortunately IOMG are more interested in hammering the motorist, and taxing them like a cash cow. They won’t put resources into incentives to purchase electric vehicles, as they would rather bankrupt the island, and fill every department with even more civil servants.
 

The electric vehicle charging point, behind Government Offices, is woeful considering the importance of climate change to our politicos (or so they claim). Without Government subsidies electric vehicles, then it means that electric vehicles become the preserve of the middle classes, and Tynpotwald members. 

sadly no one else can get access to it , its blocked by someone in Tynwald  that does not have a charging point at home   and the half dozen or so on the futuristic multi million pound promenade  are a fine example  of governments  lack of ability to forward  plan ,good question to ask is how many charging points  on the DOI harbour car parks ,and at the airport and are they rapid chargers  or 3 phase , 

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