Ramseyboi Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Road closed for emergency demolition. Could see that coming when I walked past a few weeks ago - as a result of sheer neglect. How is this continually allowed to happen? There will be something new and shiny there soon ( which is no bad thing) but there would of never been permission granted to demolish what was already there, so why just allow it to rot? Either make people preserve what is there OR allow them to demolish. This nonsense where you cant demolish but can let something fall into disrepair needs to come to an end as it benefits nobody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: Road closed for emergency demolition. Could see that coming when I walked past a few weeks ago - as a result of sheer neglect. How is this continually allowed to happen? There will be something new and shiny there soon ( which is no bad thing) but there would of never been permission granted to demolish what was already there, so why just allow it to rot? Either make people preserve what is there OR allow them to demolish. This nonsense where you cant demolish but can let something fall into disrepair needs to come to an end as it benefits nobody. It benefits the developer who will now be able to build something on the site without having work around some half-witted requirement to retain an ancient Victorian drainpipe or similar nonsense. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 How old was the original Newson's building and how long would its designers and builders have intended it to last for? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: Road closed for emergency demolition. Could see that coming when I walked past a few weeks ago - as a result of sheer neglect. How is this continually allowed to happen? There will be something new and shiny there soon ( which is no bad thing) but there would of never been permission granted to demolish what was already there, so why just allow it to rot? Either make people preserve what is there OR allow them to demolish. This nonsense where you cant demolish but can let something fall into disrepair needs to come to an end as it benefits nobody. Interesting subject. Personally once a building has stopped serving it's original purpose it should be able to be knocked down with almost zero permission. The mouth breathers at the Victorian Society and other assorted anorak organisations should have no input into the planning process unless they own the site themselves. Such an organisation tried to stop the demolition of the old Griddles building because there was allegedly some historical cobble in the cellar they hadn't been allowed to look at - bonkers. Alternatively there are cases where old buildings are demolished without permission and the local council makes the developer rebuild them brick by brick. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/developer-told-to-rebuild-maida-vale-pub-brick-by-brick-after-site-torn-down-without-notice-10211892.html Surely in a world where everything is about saving carbons then we should be going for super duper new builds to save them carbons? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, James Blonde said: Surely in a world where everything is about saving carbons then we should be going for super duper new builds to save them carbons? Absolutely. Carbons is all vanity led. Who was the most vocal objector to the demolition of a crappy old cottage in Dalby to allow the building of a super new eco friendly house? Who would have rather seen loads of carbons utilised to renovate said crappy old cottage to a point where it was still nowhere near as efficient as the new build replacement? Mr Dale of Beach Buddies fame. The guy who encourages hundreds of people to drive hundreds of miles in their 4 by 4s to pick up a few bits of plastic and put them into one of a number of massive plastic purpose built bins that were shipped here having been built in factories, then taken to their new home in a truck, located around the island that are emptied into a 4 by 4 pickup to be taken to somewhere where they are loaded on another truck to be loaded on the ferry so that another truck can take them to a factory that only runs to recycle plastic that could have just been thrown in the incinerator and generate some power. You couldn't make it up. The environmental impact of just building the recycling plant will be huge. The world has gone mad 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Isn't this building owned by Josems paymaster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, NoTailT said: Isn't this building owned by Josems paymaster? Isn’t that the Liberal Vannin Party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 minute ago, 2112 said: Isn’t that the Liberal Vannin Party? Not as simple as that unfortunately. Ask him. I am sure he we answer promptly and clearly 😅 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTucker Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Tidy beaches and countryside are something we should always aspire to. But litter is totally divorce of climate change. Bill Dale is tidying the planet not saving it. Good work but not to be confused. Building anything new build or the renovation of existing is always going to generate enormous amounts of CO2 as concrete and it’s ballast is one of the most footprint heavy products in existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 minute ago, TomTucker said: Tidy beaches and countryside are something we should always aspire to. But litter is totally divorce of climate change. Bill Dale is tidying the planet not saving it. Good work but not to be confused. Building anything new build or the renovation of existing is always going to generate enormous amounts of CO2 as concrete and it’s ballast is one of the most footprint heavy products in existence. Thanks Bill 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Helmut Fromage Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 46 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: Absolutely. Carbons is all vanity led. Who was the most vocal objector to the demolition of a crappy old cottage in Dalby to allow the building of a super new eco friendly house? Who would have rather seen loads of carbons utilised to renovate said crappy old cottage to a point where it was still nowhere near as efficient as the new build replacement? Mr Dale of Beach Buddies fame. The guy who encourages hundreds of people to drive hundreds of miles in their 4 by 4s to pick up a few bits of plastic and put them into one of a number of massive plastic purpose built bins that were shipped here having been built in factories, then taken to their new home in a truck, located around the island that are emptied into a 4 by 4 pickup to be taken to somewhere where they are loaded on another truck to be loaded on the ferry so that another truck can take them to a factory that only runs to recycle plastic that could have just been thrown in the incinerator and generate some power. You couldn't make it up. The environmental impact of just building the recycling plant will be huge. The world has gone mad Magnificent - every time he’s not on the Honours List there’s another big publicity campaign - best intentions and all that but if he gets a Gong it’s got 6 months until he “takes a step back for new ideas to drive it forward” terrible hypocrite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 12 hours ago, James Blonde said: Surely in a world where everything is about saving carbons then we should be going for super duper new builds to save them carbons? Renovating takes a lot less energy and materials than tearing down, dumping the rubble, then building again with new materials. So renovating is many times more carbon efficient. But you know this already. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: Renovating takes a lot less energy and materials than tearing down, dumping the rubble, then building again with new materials. So renovating is many times more carbon efficient. But you know this already. Renovating might produce less carbons but it doesn't produce the same profit for the owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Whats with this cool newspeak carbons thing. Sounds like something clarkson would overdo too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 hours ago, James Blonde said: Renovating might produce less carbons but it doesn't produce the same profit for the owners. Not for the developers anyway Hope Mr Thomas with his new Board can make deep retrofit profitable & desirable work for IOM builders, boosting the green economy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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